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I don't like grinding the historical axe--I think it's a dumb thing people do in this conflict. And I favor the right of your country to exist, largely on the b

I don't like grinding the historical axe--I think it's a dumb thing people do in this conflict. And I favor the right of your country to exist, largely on the basis that no country has any "right" to exist and so the country's continued existence in itself establishes any such alleged right. That being said, it is not like Israel was sitting there minding its own business, and its not like its own establishment was bloodless, and its not like its creation was a peaceful event for many of the Arabs it displaced. Again, none of that, to me, vitiates the right of an Israeli person to live peacefully in Israel, but I don't take kindly to anyone's nationalist fantasy, and I find it absurd that people continue to trade in the kind of simplistic tribal patriotism that just regurgitates their ethnic narrative.

ac130kz 3y ago
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- Georgelemental 3y ago
  They do! Israel is a thriving, prosperous society, world-leading in many ways. And the only way that society can persist long-term is by making peace with the Palestinians. (My own adopted home, the United States, is also a thriving and prosperous place that leads the world in many ways. And we also had to make peace with the people we wronged in the past.)
- lazyasciiart 3y ago
  Perhaps they should allow Palestinians to move there.
  - ac130kz 3y ago
    Neither Jordan, nor Syria, nor Egypt want Palestinians, but Israel should welcome them? Lol. I think if they were wise, they'd really focused on making a proper state.
    - catlover76 3y ago
      > Neither Jordan, nor Syria, nor Egypt want Palestinians, but Israel should welcome them? Poster didn't say that those countries shouldn't also let Palestinians live there.
    - gettodachoppa 3y ago
      What you call Israel is their land where their people lived until European Jews decided to emigrate en masse 100 years ago. There was only 25k Jews in modern day Israel before WW1, then Britain forcefully turned it a "jewish homeland" to get the Rothschilds on their side during the war. Basically typical western disregard for anyone who isn't white. They shouldn't have to move in with their neighbors.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        The past is the past. There are multiple generations of Israeli people that born on that land. Does a Palestinean child whose grand grandfather born there has any more rights to the land than those actually born there? Israel is there, for a fact. If an ultra-radical population that largely wants the eradication of Israel moves in, it’s over for Israel. This is just the way it is. So what’s your proposal? Israel’s suicide?
- catlover76 3y ago
  We can all see your failure to engage with what I actually said, and we also all know that the fact that we have successful and prominent Black people in American society, including a former president, does not mean that there isn't a lot of racism and discrimination against a lot of Black people in the US. You must think the rest of us are stupid.

ac130kz 3y ago

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Georgelemental 3y ago
They do! Israel is a thriving, prosperous society, world-leading in many ways. And the only way that society can persist long-term is by making peace with the Palestinians. (My own adopted home, the United States, is also a thriving and prosperous place that leads the world in many ways. And we also had to make peace with the people we wronged in the past.)
lazyasciiart 3y ago
Perhaps they should allow Palestinians to move there.
- ac130kz 3y ago
  Neither Jordan, nor Syria, nor Egypt want Palestinians, but Israel should welcome them? Lol. I think if they were wise, they'd really focused on making a proper state.
  - catlover76 3y ago
    > Neither Jordan, nor Syria, nor Egypt want Palestinians, but Israel should welcome them? Poster didn't say that those countries shouldn't also let Palestinians live there.
  - gettodachoppa 3y ago
    What you call Israel is their land where their people lived until European Jews decided to emigrate en masse 100 years ago. There was only 25k Jews in modern day Israel before WW1, then Britain forcefully turned it a "jewish homeland" to get the Rothschilds on their side during the war. Basically typical western disregard for anyone who isn't white. They shouldn't have to move in with their neighbors.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      The past is the past. There are multiple generations of Israeli people that born on that land. Does a Palestinean child whose grand grandfather born there has any more rights to the land than those actually born there? Israel is there, for a fact. If an ultra-radical population that largely wants the eradication of Israel moves in, it’s over for Israel. This is just the way it is. So what’s your proposal? Israel’s suicide?
catlover76 3y ago
We can all see your failure to engage with what I actually said, and we also all know that the fact that we have successful and prominent Black people in American society, including a former president, does not mean that there isn't a lot of racism and discrimination against a lot of Black people in the US. You must think the rest of us are stupid.