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This is actually a great point I didn’t originally consider. People could easily infiltrate the iMessage fort with spam and other stuff which at the moment requ

This is actually a great point I didn’t originally consider. People could easily infiltrate the iMessage fort with spam and other stuff which at the moment requires a genuine Apple device.

spullara 3y ago
I'm pretty sure some of the spam I am getting was using this vector. Hopefully it kills it now.
ysofunny 3y ago
that's one of the reasons they're doing this but I don't think it's their main reason, if anything I see that argument as convenient posturing which aids in covering the uglier underlying reasons
singpolyma3 3y ago
Still need a valid phone number with a SIM that can do the special SMS needed for this, so it's hardly going to produce a big spam farm too fast.
- boxed 3y ago
  Better to kill it early. I get spam calls on WhatsApp (an app which I absolutely loathe)
- asylteltine 3y ago
  It’s completely trivial to get a real number for sms these days thanks to scum like twilio. You can use your legitimate Apple device identifiers to run something like a hackintosh and then use iMessage that way, or use the script linked last week.
grupthink 3y ago
Wouldn't your iPhone still receive spam SMS text messages with Apple Messages? And isn't Apple Messages commonly exploited by NSO Group (Zero-clicks)? Maybe I'm wrong, but this does not appear to be very fort-like.
- rezonant 3y ago
  Yes. I believe people are just saying that they assume unknown-contact SMS is spam and that sort of sounds like Apple's SMS spam filtering isn't very good.
  - dwaite 3y ago
    For iPhone there are two tiers - the carrier provided SMS spam filtering, and apps written to provide such filtering[1]. 1: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sms_and_call_reporting/sms_and_mms_message_filtering/creating_a_message_filter_app_extension https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sms_and_call_repor...
    - rezonant 3y ago
      Oh, so there's no builtin message filtering at all?? This explains some things. Why wouldn't they just add a spam filter. Is there still iCloud email addresses? Do they have spam filtering?

This is actually a great point I didn’t originally consider. People could easily infiltrate the iMessage fort with spam and other stuff which at the moment requires a genuine Apple device.

spullara 3y ago

I'm pretty sure some of the spam I am getting was using this vector. Hopefully it kills it now.

ysofunny 3y ago

that's one of the reasons they're doing this but I don't think it's their main reason, if anything I see that argument as convenient posturing which aids in covering the uglier underlying reasons

singpolyma3 3y ago

Still need a valid phone number with a SIM that can do the special SMS needed for this, so it's hardly going to produce a big spam farm too fast.

boxed 3y ago
Better to kill it early. I get spam calls on WhatsApp (an app which I absolutely loathe)
asylteltine 3y ago
It’s completely trivial to get a real number for sms these days thanks to scum like twilio. You can use your legitimate Apple device identifiers to run something like a hackintosh and then use iMessage that way, or use the script linked last week.

grupthink 3y ago

Wouldn't your iPhone still receive spam SMS text messages with Apple Messages? And isn't Apple Messages commonly exploited by NSO Group (Zero-clicks)? Maybe I'm wrong, but this does not appear to be very fort-like.

rezonant 3y ago
Yes. I believe people are just saying that they assume unknown-contact SMS is spam and that sort of sounds like Apple's SMS spam filtering isn't very good.
- dwaite 3y ago
  For iPhone there are two tiers - the carrier provided SMS spam filtering, and apps written to provide such filtering[1]. 1: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sms_and_call_reporting/sms_and_mms_message_filtering/creating_a_message_filter_app_extension https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sms_and_call_repor...
  - rezonant 3y ago
    Oh, so there's no builtin message filtering at all?? This explains some things. Why wouldn't they just add a spam filter. Is there still iCloud email addresses? Do they have spam filtering?