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Keep in mind that this is spin — Erik's statement is ridiculous, and he knows it. To think that Apple would somehow not treat Beeper like any other bad actor ha

Keep in mind that this is spin — Erik's statement is ridiculous, and he knows it. To think that Apple would somehow not treat Beeper like any other bad actor hacking iMessage protocols is delulu.

Grustaf 3y ago
Sure, that's fair. But if he knows that, why spend the time to build this app in the first place? Is it a marketing play? It did buy them a whole lot of attention.
- lisper 3y ago
  > It did buy them a whole lot of attention. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
- deleted 3y ago
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- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
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- pjz 3y ago
  Besides the obvious attention play, he might be going for an acquisition play... "Why bother writing our own iMessage for Android when we can just buy this little company that's already done it?" There's obvious issues with that plan, but that doesn't keep delusional founders from being delusional.
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Apple chose not to support Android on purpose. They know iMessage exclusivity drives hardware sales. The emails have come out proving as much. It's the same reason they dragged their feet supporting RCS, until regulatory pressure started mounting.
    - cyanydeez 3y ago
      exclusivity is all Apple runs on after it's tech succeeds
      - politician 3y ago
        As much is apparent to anyone who has used Xcode or has encountered the special appeals process behind the official appeals process behind the ostensibly fair and evenly-applied public AppStore review process.
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      > They know iMessage exclusivity drives hardware sales. The emails have come out proving as much. I find this incredibly hard to believe. And just because the Apple marketing department believes something is true, doesn't make it so. Maybe I run in a weird crowd, but I've never met anyone who cares whether "text messages" are delivered over SMS or iMessage. In general most messaging I do happens over Signal, WhatsApp, Discord, or (in a few unfortunate cases) Instagram messenger.
      - paulryanrogers 3y ago
        Hard for you perhaps. Disclosures from the Apple v Epic litigation indicate it's true. https://www.thurrott.com/apple/248931/apple-didnt-bring-imessage-to-android-because-of-its-lock-in-strategy https://www.thurrott.com/apple/248931/apple-didnt-bring-imes...
    - vagrantJin 3y ago
      I must be an idiot. Never even heard of iMessage before this debacle - I wouldnt even know I was using it. On a more serious note regarding the Hardware sales- Apple inc does not make that much profit based on "what" they sell, its "who" they are selling to.
      - Cyberdog 3y ago
        iMessage is the former name for Apple's Messages app on macOS and iOS. Some people still use the former name as it's a bit more distinct than the current name and/or it's what they're used to. See also iTunes/Music and iCalendar/Calendar, or people who still call macOS "Mac OSX/MacOS X/MACOS X" and so on.
- deleted 3y ago
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- threeseed 3y ago
  They didn't spend much time building this feature. It was an acquihire involving a 16 year old who was doing it for fun.
  - singpolyma3 3y ago
    Except they didn't hire him? He gave them some kind of info about the sms verifications, which they then had their devs implement.
    - selectodude 3y ago
      The Github page for the iMessage hack said something about Beeper "acquiring" it. Not entirely sure what that means in practice since it was open source code on Github.
    - kyawzazaw 3y ago
      They contracted him
- dylan604 3y ago
  But what kind of attention did it garner? Now, we all know that these folks are pretty delusional. They spent time developing an app that everyone except them knew was not long for the world. A rational company would realize that it wouldn't live long enough to recoup any money. Releasing such a still born product doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about it. Hell, Google releases products that live longer than this.
- SCM-Enthusiast 3y ago
  Continue to watch this space, remember - He created the pebble. The cost of this "Experiment", to put forward a point at a super simple level. reverse engineering architecture and providing a service on top of this would be a huge space, if it were allowed.
ysofunny 3y ago
but the real problem some of use have with Apple's behavior is the real underlying reasons they're doing this I am reasonably sure that their main driver is profit which really means exploitation of people; I consider their public arguments lies made up to cover up the fact that what they account for as profit comes from what are in the end some really ugly historical and traditional imperialistic (colonial, neocolonial, and occulted) practices
- threeseed 3y ago
  > I am reasonably sure that their main driver is profit which really means exploitation of people Just wondering if you've forgotten what site you're on. This is YC which exists to build companies whose main driver will always be profit.
  - singpolyma3 3y ago
    There are companies who have come out of YC who have main drivers other than profit.
    - meindnoch 3y ago
      Yeah. E.g. cashing out and leaving the business to bagholders.
      - ysofunny 3y ago
        that's not an example (exampli gratia) that's the generalized pattern
        Grustaf 3y ago
        Weird thing to comment on, especially as it definitely is an example of something that a company may be focused on, rather than making a profit.
- anomaly_ 3y ago

Keep in mind that this is spin — Erik's statement is ridiculous, and he knows it. To think that Apple would somehow not treat Beeper like any other bad actor hacking iMessage protocols is delulu.

Grustaf 3y ago

Sure, that's fair. But if he knows that, why spend the time to build this app in the first place? Is it a marketing play? It did buy them a whole lot of attention.

lisper 3y ago
> It did buy them a whole lot of attention. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
deleted 3y ago
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cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
[flagged]
pjz 3y ago
Besides the obvious attention play, he might be going for an acquisition play... "Why bother writing our own iMessage for Android when we can just buy this little company that's already done it?" There's obvious issues with that plan, but that doesn't keep delusional founders from being delusional.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Apple chose not to support Android on purpose. They know iMessage exclusivity drives hardware sales. The emails have come out proving as much. It's the same reason they dragged their feet supporting RCS, until regulatory pressure started mounting.
  - cyanydeez 3y ago
    exclusivity is all Apple runs on after it's tech succeeds
    - politician 3y ago
      As much is apparent to anyone who has used Xcode or has encountered the special appeals process behind the official appeals process behind the ostensibly fair and evenly-applied public AppStore review process.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    > They know iMessage exclusivity drives hardware sales. The emails have come out proving as much. I find this incredibly hard to believe. And just because the Apple marketing department believes something is true, doesn't make it so. Maybe I run in a weird crowd, but I've never met anyone who cares whether "text messages" are delivered over SMS or iMessage. In general most messaging I do happens over Signal, WhatsApp, Discord, or (in a few unfortunate cases) Instagram messenger.
    - paulryanrogers 3y ago
      Hard for you perhaps. Disclosures from the Apple v Epic litigation indicate it's true. https://www.thurrott.com/apple/248931/apple-didnt-bring-imessage-to-android-because-of-its-lock-in-strategy https://www.thurrott.com/apple/248931/apple-didnt-bring-imes...
  - vagrantJin 3y ago
    I must be an idiot. Never even heard of iMessage before this debacle - I wouldnt even know I was using it. On a more serious note regarding the Hardware sales- Apple inc does not make that much profit based on "what" they sell, its "who" they are selling to.
    - Cyberdog 3y ago
      iMessage is the former name for Apple's Messages app on macOS and iOS. Some people still use the former name as it's a bit more distinct than the current name and/or it's what they're used to. See also iTunes/Music and iCalendar/Calendar, or people who still call macOS "Mac OSX/MacOS X/MACOS X" and so on.
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threeseed 3y ago
They didn't spend much time building this feature. It was an acquihire involving a 16 year old who was doing it for fun.
- singpolyma3 3y ago
  Except they didn't hire him? He gave them some kind of info about the sms verifications, which they then had their devs implement.
  - selectodude 3y ago
    The Github page for the iMessage hack said something about Beeper "acquiring" it. Not entirely sure what that means in practice since it was open source code on Github.
  - kyawzazaw 3y ago
    They contracted him
dylan604 3y ago
But what kind of attention did it garner? Now, we all know that these folks are pretty delusional. They spent time developing an app that everyone except them knew was not long for the world. A rational company would realize that it wouldn't live long enough to recoup any money. Releasing such a still born product doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about it. Hell, Google releases products that live longer than this.
SCM-Enthusiast 3y ago
Continue to watch this space, remember - He created the pebble. The cost of this "Experiment", to put forward a point at a super simple level. reverse engineering architecture and providing a service on top of this would be a huge space, if it were allowed.

ysofunny 3y ago

but the real problem some of use have with Apple's behavior is the real underlying reasons they're doing this I am reasonably sure that their main driver is profit which really means exploitation of people; I consider their public arguments lies made up to cover up the fact that what they account for as profit comes from what are in the end some really ugly historical and traditional imperialistic (colonial, neocolonial, and occulted) practices

threeseed 3y ago
> I am reasonably sure that their main driver is profit which really means exploitation of people Just wondering if you've forgotten what site you're on. This is YC which exists to build companies whose main driver will always be profit.
- singpolyma3 3y ago
  There are companies who have come out of YC who have main drivers other than profit.
  - meindnoch 3y ago
    Yeah. E.g. cashing out and leaving the business to bagholders.
    - ysofunny 3y ago
      that's not an example (exampli gratia) that's the generalized pattern
      - Grustaf 3y ago
        Weird thing to comment on, especially as it definitely is an example of something that a company may be focused on, rather than making a profit.
anomaly_ 3y ago