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Not sure that's worth much congratulation. Is there anyone that didn't think the exact same thing as soon as they saw the story?

kyleyeats 3y ago
The "well duh" crowd says "well duh" no matter what happens.
- deleted 3y ago
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- jjulius 3y ago
  Mmm, absolutes.
willseth 3y ago
There were a lot! Usually taking the form of: 1. They’ll have to do a major update to iMessage, 2. But what about Hackintosh?, or 3. EU regulators will stop it
tiltowait 3y ago
I heard/saw quite a few people saying Apple either couldn't or wouldn't cut them off—and that even if they did, it would take a while. They were ridiculous takes, yes, but apparently made in earnest.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  While it would ruin the experience in practice (not being able to receive any notifications), I don't see why someone couldn't perfectly reverse engineer the protocol. Beeper made several design decisions that made the app super easy to use (i.e. using a single certificate that wasn't supplied by a user's phone), but if you extract the necessary source material from an old jailbroken iDevice, you could create an iMessage clone that Apple can't ban without either legal action or breaking compatibility with all easily jailbroken iOS devices. Back in the days of AIM and MSN, even large companies used reverse engineering to get chat interoperability, and it was so successful that AIM left open an RCE vulnerability to push shellcode so that Microsoft couldn't chat through their service.
  - _rs 3y ago
    Any source/articles about the AIM RCE and it being left open? Would love to read about that
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      Here's a long writeup by someone who worked at Microsoft at the time: https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-19/essays/chat-wars/ https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-19/essays/chat-wars/
vGPU 3y ago
A good chunk of the posters on the release thread seemed to think otherwise.

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Not sure that's worth much congratulation. Is there anyone that didn't think the exact same thing as soon as they saw the story?

by tiahura 3y ago

kyleyeats 3y ago
The "well duh" crowd says "well duh" no matter what happens.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- jjulius 3y ago
  Mmm, absolutes.
willseth 3y ago
There were a lot! Usually taking the form of: 1. They’ll have to do a major update to iMessage, 2. But what about Hackintosh?, or 3. EU regulators will stop it
tiltowait 3y ago
I heard/saw quite a few people saying Apple either couldn't or wouldn't cut them off—and that even if they did, it would take a while. They were ridiculous takes, yes, but apparently made in earnest.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  While it would ruin the experience in practice (not being able to receive any notifications), I don't see why someone couldn't perfectly reverse engineer the protocol. Beeper made several design decisions that made the app super easy to use (i.e. using a single certificate that wasn't supplied by a user's phone), but if you extract the necessary source material from an old jailbroken iDevice, you could create an iMessage clone that Apple can't ban without either legal action or breaking compatibility with all easily jailbroken iOS devices. Back in the days of AIM and MSN, even large companies used reverse engineering to get chat interoperability, and it was so successful that AIM left open an RCE vulnerability to push shellcode so that Microsoft couldn't chat through their service.
  - _rs 3y ago
    Any source/articles about the AIM RCE and it being left open? Would love to read about that
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      Here's a long writeup by someone who worked at Microsoft at the time: https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-19/essays/chat-wars/ https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-19/essays/chat-wars/
vGPU 3y ago
A good chunk of the posters on the release thread seemed to think otherwise.