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Anti-Zionism is asserting that the Jewish state should not exist in the land of Israel. It _is_ antisemitism. You can criticize current Israeli government and i
by oytis 3y ago
Anti-Zionism is asserting that the Jewish state should not exist in the land of Israel. It _is_ antisemitism. You can criticize current Israeli government and it's certain actions, while acknowledging Israel's right to exist and defend its existence.
There are plenty of people in Israel who are opposed to Netanyahu and were protesting against him before the war started, but don't doubt that destroying Hamas is justified.
- the_gastropod 3y agoEven if your definition here of Anti-Zionism was correct (it's not [1]), that is categorically different than what antisemitism is: a hatred of Jews, a belief in a global Jewish conspiracy, belief that Jews control capitalism / created communism, etc., belief that Jews are racially inferior, etc. Sure, people that are antisemitic can also be Anti-Zionist (e.g., the Ku Klux Clan). But so too can people be proudly Jewish and Anti-Zionist (e.g., most Orthodox Jews). People can also be antisemitic and Zionist (e.g., many evangelical Christians, Donald Trump, John Hagee, etc.). Anti-Zionism and antisemitism are orthogonal ideas. Conflation of them is pure propaganda. [1] "Although anti-Zionism is a heterogeneous phenomenon, all its proponents agree that the creation of the modern State of Israel, and the movement to create a sovereign Jewish state in the region of Palestine—the biblical Land of Israel—was flawed or unjust in some way." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism
- 8note 3y agoIsrael is an implementation detail, not a requirement. No state has a right to exist: people have rights, not states.
- oytis 3y agoIt is about people. Jews have right for their own state and the right to defend it.
- cogman10 3y agoAre Palestinians not people? What rights should they have?
- xenospn 3y agoThey were granted a state on the same day as israel.
- oytis 3y agoThey absolutely deserve their own state as soon as they make peace with Israel
- cogman10 3y agoInteresting. So having a state isn't a right. Or are you saying Palestinians are not people? What does "making peace" with Israel look like? Why don't you consider the West Bank to be at peace with Israel? Was modern Israel established by making peace with its occupants?
- oytis 3y agoIt is a right. But if your state attacks another state and loses, you are going to be occupied, tough luck, consider not attacking anyone next time. Israel was established by consent of the legal owner of Palestine that day, British Empire, and was attacked by what you would call Palestinians today (Arabs living in former British Palestine) on the first day of existence - and never had a day of peace since then. I in all honesty don't know what peace could look like today. It should embrace recognition of State of Israel in its borders (that's the easy part, but was never delivered from the Arab side) and realistic guarantees that it will not be attacked again (that one is hard).