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I mean, what did they really expect when accessing a private messaging service without permission? Maybe it shouldn't be private or whatever, but it still seem

I mean, what did they really expect when accessing a private messaging service without permission? Maybe it shouldn't be private or whatever, but it still seemed weird to me that they thought this would "just work".

wmf 3y ago
One may wonder if the real goal was to create an antitrust case rather than a working app.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  How is this a demonstration of "antitrust"? Apple does not unfairly prevent competition for messaging apps, as evidenced by a plethora of competition for messaging apps, plenty of which are far more popular on iPhone outside of the US. Apple faces the heat of this competition - it frequently adds features to iMessage to make it equal or better than it's competition. Voice notes through iMessage was a direct reaction to popularity of that feature in other platforms.
  - jethro_tell 3y ago
    Additionally, didn't they just announce that RCS would be a first class citizen in '24? Feel free to use the open standard but don't be iMessage. I'm a long time beeper user. It's been nice to sign up with my email, and at least be in a few of the iPhone only chats. When I saw Eric's post the other day, my first thought was 'what an arrogant dumbass.' My guess was that they though they have an anti trust case, and my guess is that apple may have thought the same, and so they enabled 'iMessage' access to RCS. This was so predictable, especially after the RCS announcement, that I messaged my group threads and said they'd be borked by the end of the week, please switch back to signal. So, I think I'll ride that train until RCS is a thing and be done with beeper. I honestly think they just shot themselves in the foot. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rcs-support https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rc...
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    The only reason that an alternative iMessage client is newsworthy at all is because Apple uses iMessage as a moat to keep people using Apple devices.
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  How would this be used for an anti-trust case?
kxrm 3y ago
I think it is odd that they chose to make a product out of a hack. Seems like a lot to invest on the bet a few Apple security people wouldn't patch this up. Not discouraging the endeavour but now they are on the hook for all of these customers who bought on this promise. Feels like it should have started as a free product to see how Apple would handle it.

wmf 3y ago

One may wonder if the real goal was to create an antitrust case rather than a working app.

madeofpalk 3y ago
How is this a demonstration of "antitrust"? Apple does not unfairly prevent competition for messaging apps, as evidenced by a plethora of competition for messaging apps, plenty of which are far more popular on iPhone outside of the US. Apple faces the heat of this competition - it frequently adds features to iMessage to make it equal or better than it's competition. Voice notes through iMessage was a direct reaction to popularity of that feature in other platforms.
- jethro_tell 3y ago
  Additionally, didn't they just announce that RCS would be a first class citizen in '24? Feel free to use the open standard but don't be iMessage. I'm a long time beeper user. It's been nice to sign up with my email, and at least be in a few of the iPhone only chats. When I saw Eric's post the other day, my first thought was 'what an arrogant dumbass.' My guess was that they though they have an anti trust case, and my guess is that apple may have thought the same, and so they enabled 'iMessage' access to RCS. This was so predictable, especially after the RCS announcement, that I messaged my group threads and said they'd be borked by the end of the week, please switch back to signal. So, I think I'll ride that train until RCS is a thing and be done with beeper. I honestly think they just shot themselves in the foot. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rcs-support https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rc...
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  The only reason that an alternative iMessage client is newsworthy at all is because Apple uses iMessage as a moat to keep people using Apple devices.
Jtsummers 3y ago
How would this be used for an anti-trust case?

kxrm 3y ago

I think it is odd that they chose to make a product out of a hack. Seems like a lot to invest on the bet a few Apple security people wouldn't patch this up. Not discouraging the endeavour but now they are on the hook for all of these customers who bought on this promise. Feels like it should have started as a free product to see how Apple would handle it.