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The EU will probably look closely into that.

by ReptileMan 3y ago

jdewerd 3y ago
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superb_dev 3y ago
Why? iMessage so far isn't a part of the EU's plan. There's no requirement for it to be open.
- duskwuff 3y ago
  It was for a while, but they reversed course: https://arstechnica.com/apple/2023/12/imessage-will-reportedly-dodge-eu-regulations-wont-have-to-open-up/ https://arstechnica.com/apple/2023/12/imessage-will-reported...
- snthd 3y ago
  It might be a breech of the GDPR's data portability requirements. It comes down to if, by having people send you messages, you are the one providing the data to the data controller, or not. Currently I think it's ambiguous.
rplnt 3y ago
Apple isn't blocking competitive messaging apps from their platform. They are simply blocking unauthorized access to their services. EU won't look at Slack for blocking your irc client, and EU won't look at this.
- HPsquared 3y ago
  Potato, potato. Would they authorize it if asked?
  - etchalon 3y ago
    No, and, at the moment at least, they have no legal requirement to do so.
    - jimbob45 3y ago
      If you can’t come up with at least a specious argument as to why your [insert thing] should be locked down, you should expect EU Antitrust at your door in the near future.
      - etchalon 3y ago
        "Cause it's ours and we don't want to." is a very legitimate reason. I don't have to let you into my house. I don't owe you a reason. It's my house.
turquoisevar 3y ago
Wishful thinking. The EU set up the rules of the game, and it turns out iMessage falls outside the rules (to the EU’s dismay). Even if it would fall within the rules, EU regulations work on a policy level, not a technical one. In other words, they can force Apple to change their policy and facilitate interoperability, but there’s no legal mechanism to force Apple to allow unauthorized use of their service. The best you can do, if you're so inclined, is hope that the EU will change the rules of the game, but that would be such a transparent attempt at targeting a specific company (a big no-no in the legal reality within the EU) that the European courts will strike it down before they finish their breakfast.

The EU will probably look closely into that.

jdewerd 3y ago

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superb_dev 3y ago

Why? iMessage so far isn't a part of the EU's plan. There's no requirement for it to be open.

duskwuff 3y ago
It was for a while, but they reversed course: https://arstechnica.com/apple/2023/12/imessage-will-reportedly-dodge-eu-regulations-wont-have-to-open-up/ https://arstechnica.com/apple/2023/12/imessage-will-reported...
snthd 3y ago
It might be a breech of the GDPR's data portability requirements. It comes down to if, by having people send you messages, you are the one providing the data to the data controller, or not. Currently I think it's ambiguous.

rplnt 3y ago

Apple isn't blocking competitive messaging apps from their platform. They are simply blocking unauthorized access to their services. EU won't look at Slack for blocking your irc client, and EU won't look at this.

HPsquared 3y ago
Potato, potato. Would they authorize it if asked?
- etchalon 3y ago
  No, and, at the moment at least, they have no legal requirement to do so.
  - jimbob45 3y ago
    If you can’t come up with at least a specious argument as to why your [insert thing] should be locked down, you should expect EU Antitrust at your door in the near future.
    - etchalon 3y ago
      "Cause it's ours and we don't want to." is a very legitimate reason. I don't have to let you into my house. I don't owe you a reason. It's my house.

turquoisevar 3y ago

Wishful thinking. The EU set up the rules of the game, and it turns out iMessage falls outside the rules (to the EU’s dismay). Even if it would fall within the rules, EU regulations work on a policy level, not a technical one. In other words, they can force Apple to change their policy and facilitate interoperability, but there’s no legal mechanism to force Apple to allow unauthorized use of their service. The best you can do, if you're so inclined, is hope that the EU will change the rules of the game, but that would be such a transparent attempt at targeting a specific company (a big no-no in the legal reality within the EU) that the European courts will strike it down before they finish their breakfast.