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I always was under the impression that Anti-Zionism was just being against Zionism.

dlubarov 3y ago
There were basically two prongs to Zionism, (1) encouraging the return of Jews to their homeland, and (2) supporting the creation a Jewish state. Now that Israel exists, (2) has morphed into something like "supporting Israel's continued existence and connection to Judaism". I think being anti-Zionist means being against both prongs, meaning that there should no longer be a Jewish state. Given the practical implications of that, it seems hard to justify without antisemitism. Wikipedia has a whole section [1] on "View that [anti-Zionism and antisemitism] are not interlinked", but those supporting that view seem to be using an overly-broad definition of anti-Zionism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#View_that_the_two_are_not_interlinked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#View_that_the_two...
- skissane 3y ago
  > I think being anti-Zionist means being against both prongs, meaning that there should no longer be a Jewish state. Given the practical implications of that, it seems hard to justify without antisemitism. Amnon Raz-Krakotzkin is professor of Jewish History at Ben-Gurion University. He criticises Zionism, and promotes binationalism as an alternative–the idea of a single state shared equally by two nations (Arab and Jewish)–also known variously as the "one state solution" or "Israeltine" or "Isratin". [0] Obviously if he had his way, there would no longer be a Jewish state–if by that one means an exclusively Jewish state. But, I find it hard to take seriously the idea that a Jewish Israeli academic is antisemitic – his views may well be impractical and overly idealistic, but where is the evidence he's an antisemite? And I think this is just one example of the several different forms of contemporary non-antisemitic opposition to Zionism. [0] https://www.forum-transregionale-studien.de/kommunikation/details/binationalism-and-the-critique-of-zionism https://www.forum-transregionale-studien.de/kommunikation/de...
  - dlubarov 3y ago
    Fair point - I agree there are exceptions.
- roflyear 3y ago
  There has to be some middle here, where you're not pro-killing Jews, but you're against Zionism. If that middle isn't anti-zionism, what is the middle position?
  - dlubarov 3y ago
    Are you sure you're against Zionism? It seems like Zionism sometimes gets conflated with support for the particular policies of the current Israeli government, especially on social media recently, even though Zionism isn't about that.

There were basically two prongs to Zionism, (1) encouraging the return of Jews to their homeland, and (2) supporting the creation a Jewish state. Now that Israel exists, (2) has morphed into something like "supporting Israel's continued existence and connection to Judaism". I think being anti-Zionist means being against both prongs, meaning that there should no longer be a Jewish state. Given the practical implications of that, it seems hard to justify without antisemitism. Wikipedia has a whole section [1] on "View that [anti-Zionism and antisemitism] are not interlinked", but those supporting that view seem to be using an overly-broad definition of anti-Zionism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#View_that_the_two_are_not_interlinked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#View_that_the_two...

skissane 3y ago
> I think being anti-Zionist means being against both prongs, meaning that there should no longer be a Jewish state. Given the practical implications of that, it seems hard to justify without antisemitism. Amnon Raz-Krakotzkin is professor of Jewish History at Ben-Gurion University. He criticises Zionism, and promotes binationalism as an alternative–the idea of a single state shared equally by two nations (Arab and Jewish)–also known variously as the "one state solution" or "Israeltine" or "Isratin". [0] Obviously if he had his way, there would no longer be a Jewish state–if by that one means an exclusively Jewish state. But, I find it hard to take seriously the idea that a Jewish Israeli academic is antisemitic – his views may well be impractical and overly idealistic, but where is the evidence he's an antisemite? And I think this is just one example of the several different forms of contemporary non-antisemitic opposition to Zionism. [0] https://www.forum-transregionale-studien.de/kommunikation/details/binationalism-and-the-critique-of-zionism https://www.forum-transregionale-studien.de/kommunikation/de...
- dlubarov 3y ago
  Fair point - I agree there are exceptions.
roflyear 3y ago
There has to be some middle here, where you're not pro-killing Jews, but you're against Zionism. If that middle isn't anti-zionism, what is the middle position?
- dlubarov 3y ago
  Are you sure you're against Zionism? It seems like Zionism sometimes gets conflated with support for the particular policies of the current Israeli government, especially on social media recently, even though Zionism isn't about that.