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What an absolute mind-fuck. I think the greatest thing the Moscow-Teheran-Beijing "bot army diplomacy doctrine" is showing us is that you can radicalize both t

What an absolute mind-fuck. I think the greatest thing the Moscow-Teheran-Beijing "bot army diplomacy doctrine" is showing us is that you can radicalize both the US right AND the US Left at the same time by speaking to each side's idiocies at full throat. We are nearing Elders of Zion territory here where the ratio of 2 Billion Muslims to 15 Million Jews, and thus the constant stream of anti-Israeli propaganda, now contains propaganda suggesting that we are deceived and in fact there is more pro-Israeli discoursem when in reality it is being drowned out.

submeta 3y ago
There is no need for Russian/Iranian propaganda bots. Israel does that already for them: Seeing how Israel tries to defeat Hamas by withholding water, food, electricity, medicines for 2.2mil civilians in Gaza or by using genocidal language by Netanyahu and his war cabinet (Netanyahu: „they are Amalek!“, Gallant: „they are human animals“, Herzog: „there are no innocent in Gaza“, and then compring Hamas to Hitler/Nazis/ISIS/Satan) or by bombing hospitals, schools, ambulances, killing civilians by the thousands, then at the same time handing out guns to Settlers who loot, kill, start pogroms in the West Bank.
ssnistfajen 3y ago
What discourse you see online is entirely dependent on who you follow. TikTok is not force feeding you pro-Palestine content (and pro-Palestine ≠ pro-Hamas, people who are unironically pro-Hamas are not to be taken seriously since they usually come with other nonsensical takes on everything). Neither is Twitter, Youtube, Instagram, or any other platform where content is recommended based on user preferences. Don't like what you see? Close it or use whatever feedback function built-in to strongly signal your distaste, and the algorithms will recommend less of that. My tech twitter timeline was unusable for weeks after October 7 because many people I follow started posting pro-Israel messages nonstop, to the point where I had to mute them because it's not what I followed them for despite having sympathy for Israelis after the attack from Hamas. I started getting ads obviously funded by the State of Israel and pro-Israel organizations on Youtube, on Twitter, on Instagram, and on TikTok (for a day or two). There were "Missing Person" posters of October 7th victims in my neighbourhood street which is located more than 10000+km from Israel (I feel bad for them and hope they will return home safe and sound, but what are these posters trying to achieve here in my neighbourhood? My local representative legislator is already supporting Israel and condemning Hamas). I'm not going to stop recognizing propaganda for being propaganda even if I mostly agree with its underlying message. That's a basic critical thinking skill and evidently that skill is lacking even mong highly successful and "intelligent" people on HN, tech Twitter, and so on.
maximinus_thrax 3y ago
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- jakefromstatecs 3y ago
  > people are jumping at the opportunity to contradict you and actually adding some new data points that you're actually right. This argument is called a double-bind.
grumple 3y ago
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- mhalberstram 3y ago
  I could not confirm your claim that Hamas called for murdering Jews globally. Could you please share a source? My feeling is that media controlled by people - like TikTok - tend to be pro-Palestinian, whereas media controlled by institutions tend to be pro-Israeli (with the exception of the majority of ONGs and human right organizations). > it gets amplified by 1.8 billion people whose holy book calls for attacks on Jews Broadly generalizing like this does border on racism, which definitely does not help defend a country accused of apartheid and genocide.
  - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
    > media controlled by people - like TikTok If you think TikTok (or Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc..) are 'controlled by people' I have a bridge to sell you.
    - aprilthird2021 3y ago
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  - seb1204 3y ago
    My working theory is that pro-palestine contents is creating more clicks/advertisement revenue thus the algorithms prefer it.
  - lostsock 3y ago
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ilitirit 3y ago
Just to be clear, are you saying this article is false propaganda? Which parts, and do you have sources? I'd like to know full picture before I send this link to people.
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s3p 3y ago
There are ~9 Senators and 26 House representatives who are Jewish. There is only 1 Palestinian, and as the article pointed out, many from the pro-Israel faction are vying to have her expelled from congress. Further, in the US, nearly every presidential candidate or prominent politician has staunchly taken the side of Israel, reiterating their 'right to defend' whenever the mass casualties of Gaza are brought up. Many in Biden's admin have given interviews saying this sentiment as well. So while I'm sure your statistics are correct, I think it's a misnomer to say that there is more anti-Israel propoganda or pro-Israel or anti-Palestinian, etc. It's a moot point. The most clear point to me is that most gov't officials are supporting Israel's war no matter what.

submeta 3y ago

There is no need for Russian/Iranian propaganda bots. Israel does that already for them: Seeing how Israel tries to defeat Hamas by withholding water, food, electricity, medicines for 2.2mil civilians in Gaza or by using genocidal language by Netanyahu and his war cabinet (Netanyahu: „they are Amalek!“, Gallant: „they are human animals“, Herzog: „there are no innocent in Gaza“, and then compring Hamas to Hitler/Nazis/ISIS/Satan) or by bombing hospitals, schools, ambulances, killing civilians by the thousands, then at the same time handing out guns to Settlers who loot, kill, start pogroms in the West Bank.

ssnistfajen 3y ago

What discourse you see online is entirely dependent on who you follow. TikTok is not force feeding you pro-Palestine content (and pro-Palestine ≠ pro-Hamas, people who are unironically pro-Hamas are not to be taken seriously since they usually come with other nonsensical takes on everything). Neither is Twitter, Youtube, Instagram, or any other platform where content is recommended based on user preferences. Don't like what you see? Close it or use whatever feedback function built-in to strongly signal your distaste, and the algorithms will recommend less of that. My tech twitter timeline was unusable for weeks after October 7 because many people I follow started posting pro-Israel messages nonstop, to the point where I had to mute them because it's not what I followed them for despite having sympathy for Israelis after the attack from Hamas. I started getting ads obviously funded by the State of Israel and pro-Israel organizations on Youtube, on Twitter, on Instagram, and on TikTok (for a day or two). There were "Missing Person" posters of October 7th victims in my neighbourhood street which is located more than 10000+km from Israel (I feel bad for them and hope they will return home safe and sound, but what are these posters trying to achieve here in my neighbourhood? My local representative legislator is already supporting Israel and condemning Hamas). I'm not going to stop recognizing propaganda for being propaganda even if I mostly agree with its underlying message. That's a basic critical thinking skill and evidently that skill is lacking even mong highly successful and "intelligent" people on HN, tech Twitter, and so on.

maximinus_thrax 3y ago

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jakefromstatecs 3y ago
> people are jumping at the opportunity to contradict you and actually adding some new data points that you're actually right. This argument is called a double-bind.

grumple 3y ago

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mhalberstram 3y ago
I could not confirm your claim that Hamas called for murdering Jews globally. Could you please share a source? My feeling is that media controlled by people - like TikTok - tend to be pro-Palestinian, whereas media controlled by institutions tend to be pro-Israeli (with the exception of the majority of ONGs and human right organizations). > it gets amplified by 1.8 billion people whose holy book calls for attacks on Jews Broadly generalizing like this does border on racism, which definitely does not help defend a country accused of apartheid and genocide.
- maximinus_thrax 3y ago
  > media controlled by people - like TikTok If you think TikTok (or Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc..) are 'controlled by people' I have a bridge to sell you.
  - aprilthird2021 3y ago
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    - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
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- seb1204 3y ago
  My working theory is that pro-palestine contents is creating more clicks/advertisement revenue thus the algorithms prefer it.
- lostsock 3y ago
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- adastra22 3y ago

ilitirit 3y ago

Just to be clear, are you saying this article is false propaganda? Which parts, and do you have sources? I'd like to know full picture before I send this link to people.

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s3p 3y ago

There are ~9 Senators and 26 House representatives who are Jewish. There is only 1 Palestinian, and as the article pointed out, many from the pro-Israel faction are vying to have her expelled from congress. Further, in the US, nearly every presidential candidate or prominent politician has staunchly taken the side of Israel, reiterating their 'right to defend' whenever the mass casualties of Gaza are brought up. Many in Biden's admin have given interviews saying this sentiment as well. So while I'm sure your statistics are correct, I think it's a misnomer to say that there is more anti-Israel propoganda or pro-Israel or anti-Palestinian, etc. It's a moot point. The most clear point to me is that most gov't officials are supporting Israel's war no matter what.