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“Vocally against Israel” when he was just responding to character assassinations?

kamikazeturtles 3y ago
Welcome to the internet the last couple months. Where any statement that isn't overwhelmingly pro-Israel is "antisemitic" but somehow justifying genocide against Palestinians is ok
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I've seen a lot of people chant From River to Sea, which is a call for Jewish genocide, I did not see a lot of people chant for Palestinian genocide.
  - kamikazeturtles 3y ago
    "From the river to the sea" is a phrase that was used in the 1977 election manifesto by the Israeli ruling Likud party. The manifesto stated that "there will only be Israeli sovereignty between the Sea and the Jordan" It's an Israeli slogan by the Netanyahu's party People don't need to chant for Palestinian genocide when it's already being carried out and based on recent polling, the Israeli public is fully in support of it and think there should be even more intense bombing
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      You are omitting information. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea It is mainly used by Palestine supporters now but also far right Israelis, like you said. How Palestinian supporters can say it unopposed goes against the view you put forward.
      - kamikazeturtles 3y ago
        "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" isn't a genocidal slogan. If you ask anyone who chants it, none of them would say its about genocide, that's ridiculous. I bring up how it's used by Israelis because you hear the news constantly disparage protests for chanting the phrase while Palestinians in Gaza are being butchered by airstrikes. Just another way to fill the airtime when there's nothing to talk about that's Pro-Israel. Maybe the protesters should change it to "From the sea to the river, Palestine will be free". Maybe that'll appease people. Or maybe they'll find a way to accuse that of also being genocidal. It's all just a charade. In the end, it's the Palestinians that will suffer
        hotdogscout 3y ago
        >"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" isn't a genocidal slogan. It is. Austria and Germany criminalize it because it is genocidal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea >If you ask anyone who chants it, none of them would say its about genocide, that's ridiculous This isn't how you find out if someone is supporting genocide. Far right Israelis also claim "From river to sea" is not about genocide. Both the far right Israelis and Palestine supporters chanting "From river to sea" are supporting genocide.
        kamikazeturtles 3y ago
        We can argue about nonsense like this for hours but in the end a real genocide is taking place in Gaza. No amount of trying to criminalize pro-Palestine slogans and banning protests is going to end the Palestinian cause for a free Palestine.
        hotdogscout 3y ago
        Hard to keep up when you change subjects whenever you can't defend your claims, but ok, let's talk about the genocide claim. What's happening in Gaza is not a genocide under ICRC definitions. The death toll in Gaza is significantly lower than other conflicts in the middle east, eg. Syria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusat...

Welcome to the internet the last couple months. Where any statement that isn't overwhelmingly pro-Israel is "antisemitic" but somehow justifying genocide against Palestinians is ok

hotdogscout 3y ago
I've seen a lot of people chant From River to Sea, which is a call for Jewish genocide, I did not see a lot of people chant for Palestinian genocide.
- kamikazeturtles 3y ago
  "From the river to the sea" is a phrase that was used in the 1977 election manifesto by the Israeli ruling Likud party. The manifesto stated that "there will only be Israeli sovereignty between the Sea and the Jordan" It's an Israeli slogan by the Netanyahu's party People don't need to chant for Palestinian genocide when it's already being carried out and based on recent polling, the Israeli public is fully in support of it and think there should be even more intense bombing
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    You are omitting information. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea It is mainly used by Palestine supporters now but also far right Israelis, like you said. How Palestinian supporters can say it unopposed goes against the view you put forward.
    - kamikazeturtles 3y ago
      "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" isn't a genocidal slogan. If you ask anyone who chants it, none of them would say its about genocide, that's ridiculous. I bring up how it's used by Israelis because you hear the news constantly disparage protests for chanting the phrase while Palestinians in Gaza are being butchered by airstrikes. Just another way to fill the airtime when there's nothing to talk about that's Pro-Israel. Maybe the protesters should change it to "From the sea to the river, Palestine will be free". Maybe that'll appease people. Or maybe they'll find a way to accuse that of also being genocidal. It's all just a charade. In the end, it's the Palestinians that will suffer
      - hotdogscout 3y ago
        >"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" isn't a genocidal slogan. It is. Austria and Germany criminalize it because it is genocidal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea >If you ask anyone who chants it, none of them would say its about genocide, that's ridiculous This isn't how you find out if someone is supporting genocide. Far right Israelis also claim "From river to sea" is not about genocide. Both the far right Israelis and Palestine supporters chanting "From river to sea" are supporting genocide.
        kamikazeturtles 3y ago
        We can argue about nonsense like this for hours but in the end a real genocide is taking place in Gaza. No amount of trying to criminalize pro-Palestine slogans and banning protests is going to end the Palestinian cause for a free Palestine.
        hotdogscout 3y ago
        Hard to keep up when you change subjects whenever you can't defend your claims, but ok, let's talk about the genocide claim. What's happening in Gaza is not a genocide under ICRC definitions. The death toll in Gaza is significantly lower than other conflicts in the middle east, eg. Syria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusat...