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The legal code and constitution also guarantees equal rights under the law. Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that

by simonh 3y ago

The legal code and constitution also guarantees equal rights under the law. Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that law? Don’t get me wrong, I wish that law didn’t exist. It’s a mistake, but it’s mostly posturing by the Jewish nationalist faction. The nakba was an appalling catastrophe. It shouldn’t have happened. But then the Arab invasion with the explicit aim of killing and expelling the Jews shouldn’t have happened either. Nor should the expulsion of 800,000 Jews from Arab countries. They were all terrible disasters. The world would be a better place if they hadn’t happened, but they did. Now we live in the world of today. Are the Arab countries going to let the descendants of their Jewish populations back, and return the property and land confiscated from them? Are they going to grant them citizenship and let them serve in the police, army and judiciary with full democratic rights?

ok123456 3y ago
Are Jewish citizens of Israel routinely the subject of indefinite administrative detentions?
ktothe 3y ago
A codified law is "mostly posturing"?
- simonh 3y ago
  I’ll ask again, can you cite any example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right under that law?
  - throw0123895 3y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/#:~:text=JAFFA%2C%20March%2010%20(Reuters),either%20emigrate%20or%20live%20apart https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-pa.... Posted under a throwaway because I am legitimately afraid for my employment for touching this issue.
    - simonh 3y ago
      They’re not Israeli citizens.
polygamous_bat 3y ago
> Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that law? Here you go, 30 seconds on Google: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/middleeast/israel-arab-citizens-crime-mime-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/middleeast/israel-arab-citize... Will you stop spreading misinformation now? Or will you start splitting hairs, "Oh it's not due to the law, probably a coincidence haha"?
- sam1994 3y ago
  This guy is lying SOO MUCH man. It's not even funny. Saying things like Jews escaped with their lives from Arab states and how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews just because. He conveniently forgot to mention the series of events that lead to the wars between Israel and Arab nations. It's so funny that he's making it an Arabs vs Jews thing when...Jews actually thrived under Muslim/Arab rule. Jewish scholars like dean phillip bell say that Jews time under Islamic rule and how much they prospered was comparable to that of the golden age of Islam. Meaning because they were protected by the Muslims for such a long period from 638 AD - 1100 then 1300 - 1917 (over 1300 years). they were able to be prosperous. What an absolute joke and liar that guy is.
  - simonh 3y ago
    >” how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews” I quoted the Arab leader that orchestrated the assault in 1948 on that point. I can give more if you like. Here’s the then Prime Minister of Iraq Nuri al-Said: "We will crush the state with our guns and destroy any place in which the Jews seek shelter." It’s true Jews and Arabs lived side by side for over a thousand years. Those Jewish populations in Arab regions were there in peace for a long time. It’s also true they were forcibly expelled after the Turks and Europeans left. That happened throughout the Arab world.
    - sam1994 3y ago
      Forcibly expelled? Most immigrated because of the Zionist state that was formed. And some were expelled in exchange for Palestinian Arabs that were being displaced. Why are you making such oversimplified, reductionist statements? Most Jews immigrated. There's so much history and back and forth between what happened. Like how Israel had Operation Ezra and Nehemiah which aimed to bring Jews from Iraq to Israel. And things like how there was rising tensions because of the illegal establishment of Israel and how that caused Jews to be killed in Arab nations like in Libya. And how there was reason to believe Jews were being guided by Zionists to be progressively aggressive. Then Israel helped Jews from Libya leave. Then in Egypt, there were anti-jews riots, but that was stopped by the Egyptian government in 1945. But 20K Egyptian Jews left in the 48' war betwee Israel and Egypt. Then some progressively left amid some more civil conflicts in Egypt. Then finally the largest chunk left when Israel invaded Egypt in '56. In Syria, the president allowed the immigration of Jews legally in 1949. In Yemen, Israel enacted Operation Magic Carpet to bring 44K jews. So I just gave a few examples which add more color to what actually happened rather than simple what you said "forcibly expelled" which is completely and utterly false. Again. Stop spreading bllsht. And back up your claims.

by simonh 3y ago

ok123456 3y ago

Are Jewish citizens of Israel routinely the subject of indefinite administrative detentions?

ktothe 3y ago

A codified law is "mostly posturing"?

simonh 3y ago
I’ll ask again, can you cite any example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right under that law?
- throw0123895 3y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/#:~:text=JAFFA%2C%20March%2010%20(Reuters),either%20emigrate%20or%20live%20apart https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-pa.... Posted under a throwaway because I am legitimately afraid for my employment for touching this issue.
  - simonh 3y ago
    They’re not Israeli citizens.

polygamous_bat 3y ago

> Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that law? Here you go, 30 seconds on Google: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/middleeast/israel-arab-citizens-crime-mime-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/middleeast/israel-arab-citize... Will you stop spreading misinformation now? Or will you start splitting hairs, "Oh it's not due to the law, probably a coincidence haha"?

sam1994 3y ago
This guy is lying SOO MUCH man. It's not even funny. Saying things like Jews escaped with their lives from Arab states and how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews just because. He conveniently forgot to mention the series of events that lead to the wars between Israel and Arab nations. It's so funny that he's making it an Arabs vs Jews thing when...Jews actually thrived under Muslim/Arab rule. Jewish scholars like dean phillip bell say that Jews time under Islamic rule and how much they prospered was comparable to that of the golden age of Islam. Meaning because they were protected by the Muslims for such a long period from 638 AD - 1100 then 1300 - 1917 (over 1300 years). they were able to be prosperous. What an absolute joke and liar that guy is.
- simonh 3y ago
  >” how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews” I quoted the Arab leader that orchestrated the assault in 1948 on that point. I can give more if you like. Here’s the then Prime Minister of Iraq Nuri al-Said: "We will crush the state with our guns and destroy any place in which the Jews seek shelter." It’s true Jews and Arabs lived side by side for over a thousand years. Those Jewish populations in Arab regions were there in peace for a long time. It’s also true they were forcibly expelled after the Turks and Europeans left. That happened throughout the Arab world.
  - sam1994 3y ago
    Forcibly expelled? Most immigrated because of the Zionist state that was formed. And some were expelled in exchange for Palestinian Arabs that were being displaced. Why are you making such oversimplified, reductionist statements? Most Jews immigrated. There's so much history and back and forth between what happened. Like how Israel had Operation Ezra and Nehemiah which aimed to bring Jews from Iraq to Israel. And things like how there was rising tensions because of the illegal establishment of Israel and how that caused Jews to be killed in Arab nations like in Libya. And how there was reason to believe Jews were being guided by Zionists to be progressively aggressive. Then Israel helped Jews from Libya leave. Then in Egypt, there were anti-jews riots, but that was stopped by the Egyptian government in 1945. But 20K Egyptian Jews left in the 48' war betwee Israel and Egypt. Then some progressively left amid some more civil conflicts in Egypt. Then finally the largest chunk left when Israel invaded Egypt in '56. In Syria, the president allowed the immigration of Jews legally in 1949. In Yemen, Israel enacted Operation Magic Carpet to bring 44K jews. So I just gave a few examples which add more color to what actually happened rather than simple what you said "forcibly expelled" which is completely and utterly false. Again. Stop spreading bllsht. And back up your claims.