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Are there actually many equally abhorrent issues right now? I can think of like, 2, and they're both involving the exact same actors. Doctors were forced at gu

Are there actually many equally abhorrent issues right now? I can think of like, 2, and they're both involving the exact same actors. Doctors were forced at gunpoint to leave premature babies to rot at Al Nasr hospital. And you're surprised that the world is horrified?! Journalists and healthcare staff and schools have been targeted at a shocking rate. Civil infrastructure and historic churches blown up without the thinnest veil of a reason. More UN staff killed than any 'conflict' in history. Human rights groups and genocide experts are calling this genocide, ethnic cleansing, and worse. And this wasn't done by some poor, decimated, tin pot dictatorship. This was done by a nuclear power, and it was supported by England and American politicians against the express wishes of a large majority of their populations. There's no gain; none. No conceivable good can come from this. Believing that such acts will end Hamas/terror is profoundly delusional.

sabarn01 3y ago
South Sudan, Libya, Myanmar, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine/Russia There is no end to this confit regardless. It will go on as you have 2 groups with claims on the same land. Wars are won when the loser accepts defeat I don't see that ever happening. There have been multiple attempts at a negotiated solution like the Peel commision, the 1948 UN partition, or the oslo accords. All have been rejected.
dralley 3y ago
This comes off as ignorant of events happening elsewhere. Approximately 600,000 people died in the Tigray conflict in Ethiopia in the two years from November 2020 to November 2022. 40% of the Ethiopian population is children. The Yemeni civil war (2016-present) had killed at least 377,000 people, as of two years ago. By now, many more than that. There are mass graves in Mali and Sudan where hundreds of bodies are just piled up on top of each other, visible from space, thanks to collaboration between Wagner Group and the local regime. Syria is bombing their own population once again at this very moment, in continuation of their 10 year civil war which has killed at least 300,000. Notably, many, many images from the Syrian civil war have been recycled as supposed footage from Gaza (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-civil-war-take-on-a-second-life-in-gaza-conflict/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-...) for propaganda purposes - not that there isn't plenty of legitimate horrible footage from Gaza too.
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- mandmandam 3y ago
  None of these events are ones where American bombs, taxpayer funded, make up so much of the deadly weaponry. None of them have higher civilian death rates per day. None of them have so many murdered children, journalists, UN workers per capita per day (and often even in absolute terms). None of them are so drastically David and Goliath, where one clear oppressor and occupier is killing so, so many more people. Sudan, Libya, and Ethipoia aren't spending tens of millions of dollars funding propaganda to smear anyone who suggests they might stop genociding a people. Even if these "events happening elsewhere" were as bad, or were as directly funded by the West, or were as one-sided - so what? What exactly is your point? What are you calling ignorant?
  - goatlover 3y ago
    You're ignoring Iran and Qatar's role. They fund and supply Hamas. Iran doesn't want Israel to have normalized relations with Saudi Arabia.
  - rendall 3y ago
    The repetition of any and all anti-Israel rumors and dismissal of anything pro-Israel, and the rabid fury therewith, suggests that there's something more going on than just sympathy for the plight of the poor beleaguered Palestinian people. No one - not even fellow Arabs - protested on behalf of the Palestinians expelled from Kuwait, Jordan, Syria or Egypt. So, something unique about Israel, I guess. I wonder what it could be.
    - mandmandam 3y ago
      > Rendall played the anti semitism card. > It's not very effective. I am curious though; what are you calling rumours? The murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinian children? The four premie babies left to rot in Al Nasr hospital? The hundred plus murdered UN workers? The targeted journalists and academics and poets? Reem and Tarek? Those aren't rumours. They're all on video, and the world has seen them. You can go on Shaun King's Instagram and see hundreds of similar atrocities whenever you like, and so can the entire planet. They're not rumours, they're documented war crimes. We can all see the residential blocks vaporised under cover of night. We can all see the aftermath of bombed refugee camps and humanitarian corridors and UN schools. It is infuriating. So, yes, I'm furious. But if anyone is rabid, it's the people committing these war crimes and atrocities, the people cheering it on, and the people accusing anyone who calls for a ceasefire of anti semitism. If you're looking for rumours that lack evidence, try the Hamas command bases in hospitals, or the 40 beheaded babies, or the babies in ovens, or the pregnant women slit open, or the "mass rapes"; all proven lies that were spread by Israel and corporate media only to be debunked weeks later.
jstarfish 3y ago
> Believing that such acts will end Hamas/terror is profoundly delusional. This is the apocryphal "pounding them into submission" (or, "display of overwhelming force"). The idea is to break them, and discourage them from thinking to ever try something like this again. Problem is, you need to make sure they had anything to do with it in the first place. If someone launches a false flag op, you're being trolled into committing genocide against civilians. I fear they're being played but they've become a schizophrenic dealing with their demons via Howitzer. Paranoia is easily exploited.

sabarn01 3y ago

South Sudan, Libya, Myanmar, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine/Russia There is no end to this confit regardless. It will go on as you have 2 groups with claims on the same land. Wars are won when the loser accepts defeat I don't see that ever happening. There have been multiple attempts at a negotiated solution like the Peel commision, the 1948 UN partition, or the oslo accords. All have been rejected.

dralley 3y ago

This comes off as ignorant of events happening elsewhere. Approximately 600,000 people died in the Tigray conflict in Ethiopia in the two years from November 2020 to November 2022. 40% of the Ethiopian population is children. The Yemeni civil war (2016-present) had killed at least 377,000 people, as of two years ago. By now, many more than that. There are mass graves in Mali and Sudan where hundreds of bodies are just piled up on top of each other, visible from space, thanks to collaboration between Wagner Group and the local regime. Syria is bombing their own population once again at this very moment, in continuation of their 10 year civil war which has killed at least 300,000. Notably, many, many images from the Syrian civil war have been recycled as supposed footage from Gaza (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-civil-war-take-on-a-second-life-in-gaza-conflict/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-...) for propaganda purposes - not that there isn't plenty of legitimate horrible footage from Gaza too.

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mandmandam 3y ago
None of these events are ones where American bombs, taxpayer funded, make up so much of the deadly weaponry. None of them have higher civilian death rates per day. None of them have so many murdered children, journalists, UN workers per capita per day (and often even in absolute terms). None of them are so drastically David and Goliath, where one clear oppressor and occupier is killing so, so many more people. Sudan, Libya, and Ethipoia aren't spending tens of millions of dollars funding propaganda to smear anyone who suggests they might stop genociding a people. Even if these "events happening elsewhere" were as bad, or were as directly funded by the West, or were as one-sided - so what? What exactly is your point? What are you calling ignorant?
- goatlover 3y ago
  You're ignoring Iran and Qatar's role. They fund and supply Hamas. Iran doesn't want Israel to have normalized relations with Saudi Arabia.
- rendall 3y ago
  The repetition of any and all anti-Israel rumors and dismissal of anything pro-Israel, and the rabid fury therewith, suggests that there's something more going on than just sympathy for the plight of the poor beleaguered Palestinian people. No one - not even fellow Arabs - protested on behalf of the Palestinians expelled from Kuwait, Jordan, Syria or Egypt. So, something unique about Israel, I guess. I wonder what it could be.
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    > Rendall played the anti semitism card. > It's not very effective. I am curious though; what are you calling rumours? The murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinian children? The four premie babies left to rot in Al Nasr hospital? The hundred plus murdered UN workers? The targeted journalists and academics and poets? Reem and Tarek? Those aren't rumours. They're all on video, and the world has seen them. You can go on Shaun King's Instagram and see hundreds of similar atrocities whenever you like, and so can the entire planet. They're not rumours, they're documented war crimes. We can all see the residential blocks vaporised under cover of night. We can all see the aftermath of bombed refugee camps and humanitarian corridors and UN schools. It is infuriating. So, yes, I'm furious. But if anyone is rabid, it's the people committing these war crimes and atrocities, the people cheering it on, and the people accusing anyone who calls for a ceasefire of anti semitism. If you're looking for rumours that lack evidence, try the Hamas command bases in hospitals, or the 40 beheaded babies, or the babies in ovens, or the pregnant women slit open, or the "mass rapes"; all proven lies that were spread by Israel and corporate media only to be debunked weeks later.

jstarfish 3y ago

> Believing that such acts will end Hamas/terror is profoundly delusional. This is the apocryphal "pounding them into submission" (or, "display of overwhelming force"). The idea is to break them, and discourage them from thinking to ever try something like this again. Problem is, you need to make sure they had anything to do with it in the first place. If someone launches a false flag op, you're being trolled into committing genocide against civilians. I fear they're being played but they've become a schizophrenic dealing with their demons via Howitzer. Paranoia is easily exploited.