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I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

hypeit 3y ago
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- sys32768 3y ago
  By your logic, any peoples defeated in warfare and kicked off lands are justified to commit murder, rape, to pillage, and to kidnap occupiers. In America that would include hundreds of Native American tribes today whose descendants could resist that way against Americans, yes?
  - hypeit 3y ago
    The Native Americans definitely had the right to fight back against occupation and did famously on many occasions. Sadly they were successfully ethnically cleansed from the land. The Palestinians are 75 years into the process of colonization and ethnic cleansing. They are actively resisting, as would anyone.
    - dubcanada 3y ago
      In your mind, how does this get resolved?
      - hypeit 3y ago
        Step one would be to end the apartheid state of Israel. Very much how South Africa ended its apartheid state. Nothing can happen until everyone has the same status regardless of ethnicity or religion.
- localplume 3y ago
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etchalon 3y ago
If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.
- robertoandred 3y ago
  The conditions in Gaza are the result of Hamas and similar groups. Israel ended their occupation of Gaza twenty years ago and dragged Israelis out. Israel invested in Gaza infrastructure, but Hamas ripped it out and used it to make weapons. Israel allowed Gazans to work in Israel, who then told Hamas where to attack. Israel tried ceasefire after ceasefire, but Hamas just sent suicide bombers and rockets. And when as a result Israel tightened their border and built the Iron Dome, people say they're in the wrong. Those same people also never think about why Egypt also has a tight border with Gaza.
  - hypeit 3y ago
    Israel has a land, air and sea blockade on Gaza. The residents of Gaza are second generation refugees from the cities that Israel ethnically cleansed in Nakba in 1948. Israel also bombed Gaza's only airport. Israel has routinely murdered, sniped, arrested and abused all forms of non-violent protest such as the March of Return.
    - robertoandred 3y ago
      A blockade? You mean the defenses set up by Israel and Egypt after Hamas started attacking? Ethnically cleansed in Nakba? You mean when Arab countries declared war on Israel and then lost? Non-violent protests? You mean using molotov cocktails, rifles, and grenades? You're describing effects but ignoring the causes.
      - hypeit 3y ago
        Yes, a blockade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip Yes, Nakba was an ethnic cleansing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba Yes, they sniped peaceful protesters at the March of Return: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... I encourage people to read these links for themselves.
dontlaugh 3y ago
Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.
- dubcanada 3y ago
  How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
    - mrangle 3y ago
      You understand that your illogical and immoral death pact works both ways, right? Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel? There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing. And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
      - dontlaugh 3y ago
        I’m not demanding anything, merely describing the likely future. As an analogy, the South African apartheid state was dominant militarily. Over time, through internal and external military and political pressure, this state was defeated and abolished. The indigenous resistance that won established a new state, after which the more violent elements withered away. Currently, Hamas are a part of the Palestinian resistance. When apartheid ends and the resistance wins, Hamas will either change or end.
pphysch 3y ago
What do you think about the historical evidence of Netanyahu promoting Hamas for this very reason? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Anyway, we can make a similar argument about the Netanyahu regime: it is actively making Jewish, Israeli, and American people around the world less safe. It is almost treasonous that our elected officials are supporting this dangerous regime so uncritically.
- mandmandam 3y ago
  > almost treasonous It's fully treasonous imo. Has been since Biden repeated the "beheaded babies" lie twice, even against the express disapproval of his own staff.

hypeit 3y ago

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sys32768 3y ago
By your logic, any peoples defeated in warfare and kicked off lands are justified to commit murder, rape, to pillage, and to kidnap occupiers. In America that would include hundreds of Native American tribes today whose descendants could resist that way against Americans, yes?
- hypeit 3y ago
  The Native Americans definitely had the right to fight back against occupation and did famously on many occasions. Sadly they were successfully ethnically cleansed from the land. The Palestinians are 75 years into the process of colonization and ethnic cleansing. They are actively resisting, as would anyone.
  - dubcanada 3y ago
    In your mind, how does this get resolved?
    - hypeit 3y ago
      Step one would be to end the apartheid state of Israel. Very much how South Africa ended its apartheid state. Nothing can happen until everyone has the same status regardless of ethnicity or religion.
localplume 3y ago
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etchalon 3y ago

If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.

robertoandred 3y ago
The conditions in Gaza are the result of Hamas and similar groups. Israel ended their occupation of Gaza twenty years ago and dragged Israelis out. Israel invested in Gaza infrastructure, but Hamas ripped it out and used it to make weapons. Israel allowed Gazans to work in Israel, who then told Hamas where to attack. Israel tried ceasefire after ceasefire, but Hamas just sent suicide bombers and rockets. And when as a result Israel tightened their border and built the Iron Dome, people say they're in the wrong. Those same people also never think about why Egypt also has a tight border with Gaza.
- hypeit 3y ago
  Israel has a land, air and sea blockade on Gaza. The residents of Gaza are second generation refugees from the cities that Israel ethnically cleansed in Nakba in 1948. Israel also bombed Gaza's only airport. Israel has routinely murdered, sniped, arrested and abused all forms of non-violent protest such as the March of Return.
  - robertoandred 3y ago
    A blockade? You mean the defenses set up by Israel and Egypt after Hamas started attacking? Ethnically cleansed in Nakba? You mean when Arab countries declared war on Israel and then lost? Non-violent protests? You mean using molotov cocktails, rifles, and grenades? You're describing effects but ignoring the causes.
    - hypeit 3y ago
      Yes, a blockade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip Yes, Nakba was an ethnic cleansing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba Yes, they sniped peaceful protesters at the March of Return: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... I encourage people to read these links for themselves.

dontlaugh 3y ago

Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.

dubcanada 3y ago
How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
  - mrangle 3y ago
    You understand that your illogical and immoral death pact works both ways, right? Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel? There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing. And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
    - dontlaugh 3y ago
      I’m not demanding anything, merely describing the likely future. As an analogy, the South African apartheid state was dominant militarily. Over time, through internal and external military and political pressure, this state was defeated and abolished. The indigenous resistance that won established a new state, after which the more violent elements withered away. Currently, Hamas are a part of the Palestinian resistance. When apartheid ends and the resistance wins, Hamas will either change or end.

pphysch 3y ago

What do you think about the historical evidence of Netanyahu promoting Hamas for this very reason? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Anyway, we can make a similar argument about the Netanyahu regime: it is actively making Jewish, Israeli, and American people around the world less safe. It is almost treasonous that our elected officials are supporting this dangerous regime so uncritically.

mandmandam 3y ago
> almost treasonous It's fully treasonous imo. Has been since Biden repeated the "beheaded babies" lie twice, even against the express disapproval of his own staff.