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Thanks for that! Do you have advice for learning it? How did you get started, and what made you decide to stick with it instead of other languages? I'm happy t

Thanks for that! Do you have advice for learning it? How did you get started, and what made you decide to stick with it instead of other languages? I'm happy to try to use it for Advent of Code 2024, but it would help if I could at least get oriented so I'm not going in totally cold (and thereby likely to fall off the wagon after 3 days because each one takes 2 hours in an unfamiliar language). The data science use case is particularly interesting and not something I had considered here. Arrow bindings help immensely. Of course at work I'll probably never get a chance to use anything other than Python and R for many years to come; maybe Julia is the most exotic I think I'd ever be able to go, and that's only if I ever hit a performance bottleneck in Python that can't be remediated with Numba.

kazinator 3y ago
There are some Advent of Code 2021 solutions in TXR: https://www.kylheku.com/cgit/advent/tree https://www.kylheku.com/cgit/advent/tree That gives a flavor of how those kinds of problems can be approached. The solutions are all self-contained; they don't share any AoC-specific library or anything, and were developed with a throwaway program mindset, where we just solve that problem and don't try to produce anything that is reusable other than by copy paste into the next program.
vcdimension 3y ago
If you already know a lisp such as scheme, much of it should already be familiar to you. You can program in a lisp-1/scheme like way using square brackets, and a lisp-2/common lisp way using round brackets. The thing that really makes txr lisp different is the pattern language DSL, and that was what motivated me to learn it because I had a specific use case (processing my personal bank statements). The manpage is huge due to the large amount of builtin functions and features to make up for the lack of external libraries, but there is a lot of overlap with other lisps. I learnt by reading the manpage, looking at examples on stackoverflow and rosetta stone, and playing around with it in the REPL. The pattern matching language takes some getting used to, and it helps to have a good understanding of what its doing under the hood, otherwise you can get very frustrated. Also it uses non-standard regular expressions which lack features such as repetition operators and capture groups, but you can work around this (e.g. by using the pattern language). I recommend finding some non-time-critical use case to motivate you, and work on it in your spare time. Learn how to use the txr repl & command syntax, and create a directory containing some example text files to quickly test things and get a better understanding of how it works. Also create a file for keeping notes about txr & its quirks which you can easily refer to.
- vcdimension 3y ago
  Just to clarify, the pattern language is a more powerful alternative to using regexps (but you can mix them). My bank statements are pdf's which can be converted to ascii using pdftotext, however this destroys the structure of the documents which makes extracting data using regexps (even pcre's) very difficult, but much easier using txr.

kazinator 3y ago

There are some Advent of Code 2021 solutions in TXR: https://www.kylheku.com/cgit/advent/tree https://www.kylheku.com/cgit/advent/tree That gives a flavor of how those kinds of problems can be approached. The solutions are all self-contained; they don't share any AoC-specific library or anything, and were developed with a throwaway program mindset, where we just solve that problem and don't try to produce anything that is reusable other than by copy paste into the next program.

vcdimension 3y ago

If you already know a lisp such as scheme, much of it should already be familiar to you. You can program in a lisp-1/scheme like way using square brackets, and a lisp-2/common lisp way using round brackets. The thing that really makes txr lisp different is the pattern language DSL, and that was what motivated me to learn it because I had a specific use case (processing my personal bank statements). The manpage is huge due to the large amount of builtin functions and features to make up for the lack of external libraries, but there is a lot of overlap with other lisps. I learnt by reading the manpage, looking at examples on stackoverflow and rosetta stone, and playing around with it in the REPL. The pattern matching language takes some getting used to, and it helps to have a good understanding of what its doing under the hood, otherwise you can get very frustrated. Also it uses non-standard regular expressions which lack features such as repetition operators and capture groups, but you can work around this (e.g. by using the pattern language). I recommend finding some non-time-critical use case to motivate you, and work on it in your spare time. Learn how to use the txr repl & command syntax, and create a directory containing some example text files to quickly test things and get a better understanding of how it works. Also create a file for keeping notes about txr & its quirks which you can easily refer to.

vcdimension 3y ago
Just to clarify, the pattern language is a more powerful alternative to using regexps (but you can mix them). My bank statements are pdf's which can be converted to ascii using pdftotext, however this destroys the structure of the documents which makes extracting data using regexps (even pcre's) very difficult, but much easier using txr.