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These kind of profile based forecasting systems literally encode the social biases embedded in the law into a measurement system that perfectly alienates indi

These kind of profile based forecasting systems *literally* encode the social biases embedded in the law into a measurement system that perfectly alienates individuals. The laws and structure of society ENSURE this is the outcome of any hierarchical capital/property based system. So it’s not the algorithm that’s the problem. The problem is having a system like this to begin with.

skrebbel 3y ago
> the social biases embedded in the law I’m not sure what you mean by this, do you have any examples?
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Example: Redlining was a racist social bias embedded in the city infrastructure planning and implementation process. Or “slaves are legally 3/5th of a human” was encoded into the US constitution By encoding into the legal structure a social bias, and then using that legal precedent as the goal state, implemented via orthogonal behavior measures, you are creating a measurement system that will enforce whatever goal condition the law encoded , including any biases that were encoded in the original lawmaking process [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
  - skrebbel 3y ago
    To be fair I think it’s a bit odd that you only quote American examples (and century old ones at that) in a discussion about a profiling system in France. I can vaguely imagine that France may have laws, today, that are biased too, but I struggle to imagine that they’re anywhere near as bad as the blatantly racist laws America grew up with. Agree that it dehumanizes citizens though.
    - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
      I find it odd you find it odd. This is a website primarily used by Americans, which I am, and therefore have the most experience in that context. I am less familiar with French laws and you agree that there are likely laws which encoded bias. So we agree that the examples I used of bias encoding are invariant to the source and you accept the premise So the only thing you response does is give a snide jab at what you perceive as relative foundational inequities in the law. Was that your intent? To simply shit on America?

These kind of profile based forecasting systems *literally* encode the social biases embedded in the law into a measurement system that perfectly alienates indi

skrebbel 3y ago

> the social biases embedded in the law I’m not sure what you mean by this, do you have any examples?

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Example: Redlining was a racist social bias embedded in the city infrastructure planning and implementation process. Or “slaves are legally 3/5th of a human” was encoded into the US constitution By encoding into the legal structure a social bias, and then using that legal precedent as the goal state, implemented via orthogonal behavior measures, you are creating a measurement system that will enforce whatever goal condition the law encoded , including any biases that were encoded in the original lawmaking process [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
- skrebbel 3y ago
  To be fair I think it’s a bit odd that you only quote American examples (and century old ones at that) in a discussion about a profiling system in France. I can vaguely imagine that France may have laws, today, that are biased too, but I struggle to imagine that they’re anywhere near as bad as the blatantly racist laws America grew up with. Agree that it dehumanizes citizens though.
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    I find it odd you find it odd. This is a website primarily used by Americans, which I am, and therefore have the most experience in that context. I am less familiar with French laws and you agree that there are likely laws which encoded bias. So we agree that the examples I used of bias encoding are invariant to the source and you accept the premise So the only thing you response does is give a snide jab at what you perceive as relative foundational inequities in the law. Was that your intent? To simply shit on America?