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Nothing is black and white. E2E encryption is a big headache for legitimate law enforcement. We've seen it with Encrochat.

driverdan 3y ago
Good.
multjoy 3y ago
Encrochat wasn't E2E, which is why the Dutch were able to get all up in their servers.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  Exactly. It was a big issue but they still manage to get in, with difficulties. Now, E2E encryption is much harder to crack if possible at all. You probably need to compromise each specific phone/computer/app you're interested in.
  - multjoy 3y ago
    Encrochat is a funny example - WhatsApp and Signal were widely available at the time and were entirely secure. Encro was a home-brewed system that pretended to be more than it was while the target market would have been much better off with an up-to-date stock android or iPhone handset + Signal and basic security awareness. The vulnerability around the handset is certainly significantly less than whatever cobbled together android distro they were using, and if the messages are on the handset then they are always vulnerable to recovery.
Turing_Machine 3y ago
> E2E encryption is a big headache for legitimate law enforcement. So is the requirement to have a warrant before barging into someone's house at 0300 with guns and dogs. So is the requirement to allow the accused to confer with an attorney. So is the prohibition on using torture to extract confessions. And? The world doesn't exist for the convenience of "legitimate law enforcement", or shouldn't, anyway.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  Your comment is obviously disingenuous. You are comparing apples and oranges for dramatic purposes. Of course police need a warrant e.g. to wiretap but that becomes moot if the wiretap is impossible for technical reasons. That is the whole issue here.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    > Your comment is obviously disingenuous. It is "obviously" nothing of the sort.
    - Turing_Machine 3y ago
      To elaborate: You're allowed to have curtains, no matter how inconvenient that makes it for police who want to look through your windows.

driverdan 3y ago

Good.

multjoy 3y ago

Encrochat wasn't E2E, which is why the Dutch were able to get all up in their servers.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
Exactly. It was a big issue but they still manage to get in, with difficulties. Now, E2E encryption is much harder to crack if possible at all. You probably need to compromise each specific phone/computer/app you're interested in.
- multjoy 3y ago
  Encrochat is a funny example - WhatsApp and Signal were widely available at the time and were entirely secure. Encro was a home-brewed system that pretended to be more than it was while the target market would have been much better off with an up-to-date stock android or iPhone handset + Signal and basic security awareness. The vulnerability around the handset is certainly significantly less than whatever cobbled together android distro they were using, and if the messages are on the handset then they are always vulnerable to recovery.

Turing_Machine 3y ago

> E2E encryption is a big headache for legitimate law enforcement. So is the requirement to have a warrant before barging into someone's house at 0300 with guns and dogs. So is the requirement to allow the accused to confer with an attorney. So is the prohibition on using torture to extract confessions. And? The world doesn't exist for the convenience of "legitimate law enforcement", or shouldn't, anyway.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
Your comment is obviously disingenuous. You are comparing apples and oranges for dramatic purposes. Of course police need a warrant e.g. to wiretap but that becomes moot if the wiretap is impossible for technical reasons. That is the whole issue here.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > Your comment is obviously disingenuous. It is "obviously" nothing of the sort.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    To elaborate: You're allowed to have curtains, no matter how inconvenient that makes it for police who want to look through your windows.