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Spotify also had a breakdown with unions and its workforce. With no where near the fall out that Tesla is getting. Surely that is a bigger deal than Tesla servi

Spotify also had a breakdown with unions and its workforce. With no where near the fall out that Tesla is getting. Surely that is a bigger deal than Tesla service centres!? Anti Elon, anti American sentiment?

actionfromafar 3y ago
Different unions.
- capableweb 3y ago
  Not only that, but the co-founder and CEO of Spotify is also Swedish which means he has some perspective on how unions work in Sweden so he can be pragmatic. Musk lacks any sort of perspective in that market, seemingly.
mschild 3y ago
More clicks. Tesla is an American company and has an actual ongoing strike. Spotify is Swedish and there is currently no ongoing strike. If you look for articles in Swedish, you'll see plenty.
VoxPelli 3y ago
Klarna also had a breakdown with unions but ultimately signed an agreement in the last minute before strikes started to happen. What makes Tesla different from Klarna and Spotify is that Tesla has a global policy to never sign. So Tesla’s Swedish company is prohibited by Tesla to do any kind of negotiation, and that escalates things drastically.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > What makes Tesla different from Klarna and Spotify The "heritage" between the three is also different. Klarna and Spotify are/was Swedish, they know what going up against a union means, and it often involves going against multiple unions as they all help each other. Tesla clearly have no idea what they were going against, as what is happening now is such an obvious fallout from not understanding the country they're operating in.
  - soco 3y ago
    By this time we cannot say anymore they have no idea. Now it became pure stubbornness, and we can all see how stubbornness goes.
  - VoxPelli 3y ago
    Indeed, and they are lucky that it hasn’t spread to Germany yet, as the Germany unions are even stronger than the Swedish ones and Tesla has a factory there…
occz 3y ago
Spotify found some success with their anti-union campaign, and managed to mostly silently terminate the negotiation. With the layoffs happening this week, I imagine the appetite for picking up these talks again could return. Klarna tried to basically 1:1 copy the anti-union campaign of Spotify, but it failed that time on account of the unions having learned to cope with that type of propaganda. Klarna is now under a union contract.
spinningslate 3y ago
> Anti Elon, anti American sentiment? I don't think so. It's a cultural thing: Sweden, and the Nordic countries more generally, have a strong cultural heritage of unions representing the interests of workers. There are elements of protection not included in law - for example minimum wage - that are instead covered by union protection. Tesla has taken a position that it will not sign up to collective bargaining globally - and so won't engage with the unions on it. That creates a fissure: a difference in policy. So it's not anti-American. It's a refusal to accept the terms on which a corporation wants to engage. A similar situation happened with Klarna and Spotify as others have pointed out. It might verge on anti-Musk, but only because this kind of thing is in "red rag to a bull" territory for him. He is utterly recalcitrant generally: backing down isn't in his nature. It would seem that has only stiffened the resolve of the Nordic workers and unions. But even then it's equally valid to see Musk as "Anti-Sweden": unwilling to respect cultural norms in a country he wants his company to operate in.
xorcist 3y ago
Spotify has negotiated, they just haven't come to an agreement. Tesla has refused to negotiate. Even then, it still took five years before the conflict escalated. At some point negotiations with Spotify will have to be restarted. It's likely not an option for Spotify to exit the country completely, which is perfectly possible for Tesla.

actionfromafar 3y ago

Different unions.

capableweb 3y ago
Not only that, but the co-founder and CEO of Spotify is also Swedish which means he has some perspective on how unions work in Sweden so he can be pragmatic. Musk lacks any sort of perspective in that market, seemingly.

mschild 3y ago

More clicks. Tesla is an American company and has an actual ongoing strike. Spotify is Swedish and there is currently no ongoing strike. If you look for articles in Swedish, you'll see plenty.

VoxPelli 3y ago

Klarna also had a breakdown with unions but ultimately signed an agreement in the last minute before strikes started to happen. What makes Tesla different from Klarna and Spotify is that Tesla has a global policy to never sign. So Tesla’s Swedish company is prohibited by Tesla to do any kind of negotiation, and that escalates things drastically.

capableweb 3y ago
> What makes Tesla different from Klarna and Spotify The "heritage" between the three is also different. Klarna and Spotify are/was Swedish, they know what going up against a union means, and it often involves going against multiple unions as they all help each other. Tesla clearly have no idea what they were going against, as what is happening now is such an obvious fallout from not understanding the country they're operating in.
- soco 3y ago
  By this time we cannot say anymore they have no idea. Now it became pure stubbornness, and we can all see how stubbornness goes.
- VoxPelli 3y ago
  Indeed, and they are lucky that it hasn’t spread to Germany yet, as the Germany unions are even stronger than the Swedish ones and Tesla has a factory there…

occz 3y ago

Spotify found some success with their anti-union campaign, and managed to mostly silently terminate the negotiation. With the layoffs happening this week, I imagine the appetite for picking up these talks again could return. Klarna tried to basically 1:1 copy the anti-union campaign of Spotify, but it failed that time on account of the unions having learned to cope with that type of propaganda. Klarna is now under a union contract.

spinningslate 3y ago

> Anti Elon, anti American sentiment? I don't think so. It's a cultural thing: Sweden, and the Nordic countries more generally, have a strong cultural heritage of unions representing the interests of workers. There are elements of protection not included in law - for example minimum wage - that are instead covered by union protection. Tesla has taken a position that it will not sign up to collective bargaining globally - and so won't engage with the unions on it. That creates a fissure: a difference in policy. So it's not anti-American. It's a refusal to accept the terms on which a corporation wants to engage. A similar situation happened with Klarna and Spotify as others have pointed out. It might verge on anti-Musk, but only because this kind of thing is in "red rag to a bull" territory for him. He is utterly recalcitrant generally: backing down isn't in his nature. It would seem that has only stiffened the resolve of the Nordic workers and unions. But even then it's equally valid to see Musk as "Anti-Sweden": unwilling to respect cultural norms in a country he wants his company to operate in.

xorcist 3y ago

Spotify has negotiated, they just haven't come to an agreement. Tesla has refused to negotiate. Even then, it still took five years before the conflict escalated. At some point negotiations with Spotify will have to be restarted. It's likely not an option for Spotify to exit the country completely, which is perfectly possible for Tesla.