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Corruption is not just the dark side of Poland, but the entire west IMHO
by yard2010 3y ago
Corruption is not just the dark side of Poland, but the entire west IMHO
- xbar 3y agoThe other 3 directions are corruption-free?
- gattilorenz 3y agocan't speak for the other continents but there is very little corruption in Antarctica, so I guess if you go South enough, it is actually better
- konschubert 3y agoThe west is the least corrupt part of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#/media/File:Countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index_(2022).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#/...
- ddoice 3y agoperception != reality
- hk__2 3y agoPerception is a proxy for reality, given that you can’t measure the latter.
- bmacho 3y agoThere are reasons for why we can assume that the west is the least corrupt area of the whole world.
- gpvos 3y agoBut for the average person, perception does influence how likely they are themselves to take part in corruption, and that in turn does influence the total amount of corruption in a country. Actual corruption is very hard to measure, so perception of corruption is a reasonable thing to research since it is in many ways "the best you can do" to get some measure of actual corruption.
- H8crilA 3y agoIt baffles me that people don't realize just how bad it is in non democratic countries. Russia has FSB extorting shop owners for protection money, and even an occasional assassination is nothing particularly interesting there. Chinese companies have party cells in management. Venezuela or many African countries need to hire foreign contractors (sometimes Western :) ) so that their heads of state and other VIPs do not get killed by their coworkers. The Red Sea has actual pirates. Lebanon failed to remove kilotons of explosive ammonia nitrate for years, until it eventually blew up the capital. I could go on and on, but you can see how this compares to "train company bricked a train and it's a major scandal".
- waffleiron 3y agoNote from that wikipedia article >The Index only measures public sector corruption, ignoring the private sector. This, for instance, means the well-publicized Libor scandal, Odebrecht case and the VW emissions scandal are not counted as corrupt actions.
- konschubert 3y agoBecause corruption is when state power is abused. When private companies do illegal shit it’s just a crime.
- waffleiron 3y agoThere is no requirement for it to be "state" power, please look up the definition.
- konschubert 3y agoOkay, whatever. Pretty sure they private sector corruption isn’t worse in the west than in other parts of the world but if you want to disagree I won’t be able to change your mind
- master-lincoln 3y agoI wanted to get numbers on this, but naturally it's not feasible to get accurate numbers on corruption happening. I found the Corruption Perceptions Index which seems to be the closest we have in quantization. By measuring perceptions of corruption, as opposed to corruption itself, the Index may simply be reinforcing existing stereotypes and cliches though. But according to their results the "west" has the least perceived corruption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
- gpvos 3y agoYes, the west is corrupt. The rest is worse though, and less ashamed of it.