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rich coming from tuta who still lack a onion based login. this ticket from 2018 was locked as off-topic. https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/528 https://gi

rich coming from tuta who still lack a onion based login. this ticket from 2018 was locked as off-topic. https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/528 https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/528 as lenin said, the best way to control the opposition is to lead it. for me, unless the company has been raided by the government they simply cannot be trusted. apple proudly advertises privacy on huge billboards while sharing everything they are asked under shadow laws. absolute hypocrisy and double standards. but then they wouldnt be where they are without government money and favours.

olliej 3y ago
I really want to like onion, but literally the only thing I can reliably find is search engines with drug and porn ads, and most results to any query I do throw in are non-responsive, and those that aren't broken are still incredibly slow.
- yencabulator 3y ago
  Well, let's put an end to that literally: https://www.facebook.com/onion-service https://www.facebook.com/onion-service
  - olliej 3y ago
    Facebook is a cesspit on the normal web, is it really better on tor/onion?
misnome 3y ago
It’s hypocrisy and double standards to follow the law? You say “Shadow law” as though it’s them being nefarious. I don’t know anyone who interprets Apple’s stance on Privacy as “They will break the law for you”, only in contrast to… everyone else (?) selling your advertising data?
- politelemon 3y ago
  It is hypocrisy to advertise yourself as something that you are not. Yours is a deliberate mis-telling or misinterpretation to make them appear saying something they're not. > I don’t know anyone who interprets Apple’s stance on Privacy as “They will break the law for you”, only in contrast to… everyone else (?) selling your advertising data? I know that most people will assume that everything is private and hidden away based on their marketing campaigns; assuming that privacy = breaking the law is something you are foisting on, and is in poor form. Either you are deep inside the HN/Apple reality distortion field or avoiding acknowledgment that a problem has existed for a long time, which needs addressing. This isn't uncommon on HN sadly, I will usually see similar mental gymnastic performed whenever there's any slightly negative news about Apple.
  - misnome 3y ago
    > Either you are deep inside the HN/Apple reality distortion field or avoiding acknowledgment that a problem has existed for a long time, which needs addressing. This isn't uncommon on HN sadly, I will usually see similar mental gymnastic performed whenever there's any slightly negative news about Apple. Or, it could be that other people have legitimate views and interpretations that don't match your own? By your own logic, you are also doing similar mental gymnastics to interpret news about what a government is doing in a deliberately negative way about Apple, driven by an explicit marketing piece for a company that is trying to present themselves as the solution.
  - misnome 3y ago
    > assuming that privacy = breaking the law is something you are foisting on, and is in poor form. What privacy do you have that isn't subject to the law? Outside of your own brain, can't literally everything be subject to a legal order to gain access? It seems to me that your definition of absolute privacy is extreme, extremely specific to you, and renders the word essentially meaningless; This does of course make it very easy to argue in bad faith and rant about companies that you don't like.
    - kelnos 3y ago

olliej 3y ago

I really want to like onion, but literally the only thing I can reliably find is search engines with drug and porn ads, and most results to any query I do throw in are non-responsive, and those that aren't broken are still incredibly slow.

yencabulator 3y ago
Well, let's put an end to that literally: https://www.facebook.com/onion-service https://www.facebook.com/onion-service
- olliej 3y ago
  Facebook is a cesspit on the normal web, is it really better on tor/onion?

misnome 3y ago

It’s hypocrisy and double standards to follow the law? You say “Shadow law” as though it’s them being nefarious. I don’t know anyone who interprets Apple’s stance on Privacy as “They will break the law for you”, only in contrast to… everyone else (?) selling your advertising data?

politelemon 3y ago
It is hypocrisy to advertise yourself as something that you are not. Yours is a deliberate mis-telling or misinterpretation to make them appear saying something they're not. > I don’t know anyone who interprets Apple’s stance on Privacy as “They will break the law for you”, only in contrast to… everyone else (?) selling your advertising data? I know that most people will assume that everything is private and hidden away based on their marketing campaigns; assuming that privacy = breaking the law is something you are foisting on, and is in poor form. Either you are deep inside the HN/Apple reality distortion field or avoiding acknowledgment that a problem has existed for a long time, which needs addressing. This isn't uncommon on HN sadly, I will usually see similar mental gymnastic performed whenever there's any slightly negative news about Apple.
- misnome 3y ago
  > Either you are deep inside the HN/Apple reality distortion field or avoiding acknowledgment that a problem has existed for a long time, which needs addressing. This isn't uncommon on HN sadly, I will usually see similar mental gymnastic performed whenever there's any slightly negative news about Apple. Or, it could be that other people have legitimate views and interpretations that don't match your own? By your own logic, you are also doing similar mental gymnastics to interpret news about what a government is doing in a deliberately negative way about Apple, driven by an explicit marketing piece for a company that is trying to present themselves as the solution.
- misnome 3y ago
  > assuming that privacy = breaking the law is something you are foisting on, and is in poor form. What privacy do you have that isn't subject to the law? Outside of your own brain, can't literally everything be subject to a legal order to gain access? It seems to me that your definition of absolute privacy is extreme, extremely specific to you, and renders the word essentially meaningless; This does of course make it very easy to argue in bad faith and rant about companies that you don't like.
  - kelnos 3y ago