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I honestly don't think you have to. If banking apps are a bit slow, so what? I know that individual actions have limited impact, but do you realise what's at st

by nicoco 3y ago

I honestly don't think you have to. If banking apps are a bit slow, so what? I know that individual actions have limited impact, but do you realise what's at stake when it comes to environmental issues? FWIW I run a 6yo xiaomi and I avoid crapware, it's working fine, I can AV call, message, browse HN and other forums/links aggregator, navigate, track my sports and calories... The resources (some) apps and websites use are the issue. You're part of the educated crowd, resist, FFS.

pachico 3y ago
It's not that they are slow. When I pay online, I need to confirm the payment through my bank app. When I switch to it, the browser or shop app closes and I cannot complete the transaction.
- nicoco 3y ago
  Wow. Without a < 3 yo phone, it's not possible to switch between 2 apps without one of them being killed? When I think about my atari 1040ST and what it could do with a single core running at a few Mhz and a few hundred kilobytes of RAM, it makes me realise how wrong we've gone with smartphones. (before someone mentions it, I know that my atari didn't have wifi, couldn't play full HD videos, etc, and that it was harder to develop software for it, but still, something's off IMHO)
  - pachico 3y ago
    At least not with vanilla settings.
    - 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
      What phone and bank app is this? I have a 6 year old phone. I've never come across such issues.
      - pachico 3y ago
        Spanish BBVA and Triodos bank apps combined with Brave browser on a redmi with 4+2 GiB of ram.
        nicoco 3y ago
        I have a redmi note 4 (mido) and can definitely switch between apps just fine. About banking, since the law in France doesn't require you to have a smartphone (yet?), I pretended I have a dumbphone to my bank, so 2FA is SMS-based for payments, which is not awesome (why not standard TOTP?), but still better than having their crapware in my pocket all the time.
        guraf 3y ago
        What does 4+2 GB mean? I tried googling Redmi 4+2 GB but it only returns Redmi 4 from 2017 that has only 2GB of ram. Surely that's not what you're talking about?
- wryanzimmerman 3y ago
  That seems kind of odd, my iPhone 12 Pro has zero issues with things like that and it’s three years old. I did upgrade a few weeks ago because the iPhone 15 cameras are amazing and I care a lot about that but I honestly had zero performance reasons to upgrade. I’ve never had an issue with a 5-6 year old phone and I always keep my old phone as a backup specifically for banking.
  - pachico 3y ago
    Trust me, I only use browser, travel apps, Slack, bank apps and nothing else and I've been having issues for a year, I'd say. Maybe that OS is crap and I the phone too, I don't know. Somehow, I thought 4+2 GiB of ram would suffice.
KronisLV 3y ago
> I honestly don't think you have to. If banking apps are a bit slow, so what? Many phones are essentially abandoned by the manufacturer and don't receive any security updates not too long after release, which might just be an issue: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-12-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-12-01 Not only that, but many apps won't run on the older versions of the OS either, due to the API level deprecation in Android: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/11926878?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... In other words, you don't really get much of a choice, unless you are buying a flagship device and not everyone will be able to do that. The same goes for the comparatively expensive iPhone devices, the cost also being a factor there for many.
- wryanzimmerman 3y ago
  But based on this it seems like the right comparison is between a three year old iPhone and a brand new mid-level android because they’ll last you the same amount of time, and three year old iPhones aren’t very expensive (though it depends on where in the world you live. In plenty of countries ~2yo iPhones cost the same as brand new iPhones at US prices, because you can use them for so much longer than local market android phones).
- nicoco 3y ago
  Fair point. For android, choosing a phone from https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ or https://www.replicant.us/supported-devices.php https://www.replicant.us/supported-devices.php helps getting security updates for longer.

by nicoco 3y ago

pachico 3y ago

It's not that they are slow. When I pay online, I need to confirm the payment through my bank app. When I switch to it, the browser or shop app closes and I cannot complete the transaction.

nicoco 3y ago
Wow. Without a < 3 yo phone, it's not possible to switch between 2 apps without one of them being killed? When I think about my atari 1040ST and what it could do with a single core running at a few Mhz and a few hundred kilobytes of RAM, it makes me realise how wrong we've gone with smartphones. (before someone mentions it, I know that my atari didn't have wifi, couldn't play full HD videos, etc, and that it was harder to develop software for it, but still, something's off IMHO)
- pachico 3y ago
  At least not with vanilla settings.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
    What phone and bank app is this? I have a 6 year old phone. I've never come across such issues.
    - pachico 3y ago
      Spanish BBVA and Triodos bank apps combined with Brave browser on a redmi with 4+2 GiB of ram.
      - nicoco 3y ago
        I have a redmi note 4 (mido) and can definitely switch between apps just fine. About banking, since the law in France doesn't require you to have a smartphone (yet?), I pretended I have a dumbphone to my bank, so 2FA is SMS-based for payments, which is not awesome (why not standard TOTP?), but still better than having their crapware in my pocket all the time.
      - guraf 3y ago
        What does 4+2 GB mean? I tried googling Redmi 4+2 GB but it only returns Redmi 4 from 2017 that has only 2GB of ram. Surely that's not what you're talking about?
wryanzimmerman 3y ago
That seems kind of odd, my iPhone 12 Pro has zero issues with things like that and it’s three years old. I did upgrade a few weeks ago because the iPhone 15 cameras are amazing and I care a lot about that but I honestly had zero performance reasons to upgrade. I’ve never had an issue with a 5-6 year old phone and I always keep my old phone as a backup specifically for banking.
- pachico 3y ago
  Trust me, I only use browser, travel apps, Slack, bank apps and nothing else and I've been having issues for a year, I'd say. Maybe that OS is crap and I the phone too, I don't know. Somehow, I thought 4+2 GiB of ram would suffice.

KronisLV 3y ago

> I honestly don't think you have to. If banking apps are a bit slow, so what? Many phones are essentially abandoned by the manufacturer and don't receive any security updates not too long after release, which might just be an issue: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-12-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-12-01 Not only that, but many apps won't run on the older versions of the OS either, due to the API level deprecation in Android: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/11926878?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... In other words, you don't really get much of a choice, unless you are buying a flagship device and not everyone will be able to do that. The same goes for the comparatively expensive iPhone devices, the cost also being a factor there for many.

wryanzimmerman 3y ago
But based on this it seems like the right comparison is between a three year old iPhone and a brand new mid-level android because they’ll last you the same amount of time, and three year old iPhones aren’t very expensive (though it depends on where in the world you live. In plenty of countries ~2yo iPhones cost the same as brand new iPhones at US prices, because you can use them for so much longer than local market android phones).
nicoco 3y ago
Fair point. For android, choosing a phone from https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ or https://www.replicant.us/supported-devices.php https://www.replicant.us/supported-devices.php helps getting security updates for longer.