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Yup, that's what I'm dealing with and it sucks. I am typing this from a phone that I am already considering replacing for this very same reason although it doe

Yup, that's what I'm dealing with and it sucks. I am typing this from a phone that I am already considering replacing for this very same reason although it does everything well and I looks brand new (rubber case, screen protection, etc.). I understand phones are harder to upgrade because space is very limited but the e-waste we're generating (and the money impact) seems something that needs to be addressed.

robertlagrant 3y ago
> and the money impact I imagine if this is something that lots of people want, it will result in more alternatives, but also raised prices. So it might not save money, but it might well result in less waste.
zelphirkalt 3y ago
I think it is also about the use cases and apps you use. For example: I have 1 phone older than 10y serving as a music player, almost never having Internet connection, almost always being in airplane mode. Another phone as my normal phone, also nearing 10y old, with a screen that is partially broken, but still accepts touch input fine everywhere, inherited from someone else, used usually only for Signal and Hackernews reading, rarely browsing in Firefox, nothing really feeling slow. Then I have one much newer phone, but waaay cheaper phone and it felt terribly slow right from the start, got it only to separate concerns, and as a throwaway. Not sure what its issue is really. My point is that with reasonable apps old phones work just fine. Just don't install crap apps or facebook or something like that, stick to well working apps. Use a phone as a phone, not as your universal computing interface and you should be OK for a long time.
- xnickb 3y ago
  > Use a phone as a phone, not as your universal computing interface Sounds limiting. Nowadays there are plenty of phones that can handle reasonable workloads at a reasonable price. Especially if you don't care about the camera.
  - zelphirkalt 3y ago
    What is limiting is, to rely on a smart phone to do computing. A vast majority of the phones is locked down and steering people away from general computing ability. Can you do whatever you want on your phone? No. Not with the usual OS on them. Need to root it, jailbreak it, whatever. Then you have a phone with a bad input device. Yes you can improve it with something like hacker keyboard and whatever, but it is far far from being productive like a normal computer. I am aware more and more people only use smart phones and don't own a general computer any longer, but that is a really sad development. A smart phone will usually not encourage experimentation and getting into general computing. It is a dumbed down device. Yes, one should be able to use a phone for computing, but generally that's not available out of the box and it takes effort to make it somewhat OK to use it for computing.
Levitz 3y ago
Depending on how comfortable you are with tinkering with your devices (in terms of software) I recommend you take a look at LineageOS and check if your device is supported. I used a motorola moto g (the one with 1 GB of RAM!) from 2015 until last year.

robertlagrant 3y ago

> and the money impact I imagine if this is something that lots of people want, it will result in more alternatives, but also raised prices. So it might not save money, but it might well result in less waste.

zelphirkalt 3y ago

I think it is also about the use cases and apps you use. For example: I have 1 phone older than 10y serving as a music player, almost never having Internet connection, almost always being in airplane mode. Another phone as my normal phone, also nearing 10y old, with a screen that is partially broken, but still accepts touch input fine everywhere, inherited from someone else, used usually only for Signal and Hackernews reading, rarely browsing in Firefox, nothing really feeling slow. Then I have one much newer phone, but waaay cheaper phone and it felt terribly slow right from the start, got it only to separate concerns, and as a throwaway. Not sure what its issue is really. My point is that with reasonable apps old phones work just fine. Just don't install crap apps or facebook or something like that, stick to well working apps. Use a phone as a phone, not as your universal computing interface and you should be OK for a long time.

xnickb 3y ago
> Use a phone as a phone, not as your universal computing interface Sounds limiting. Nowadays there are plenty of phones that can handle reasonable workloads at a reasonable price. Especially if you don't care about the camera.
- zelphirkalt 3y ago
  What is limiting is, to rely on a smart phone to do computing. A vast majority of the phones is locked down and steering people away from general computing ability. Can you do whatever you want on your phone? No. Not with the usual OS on them. Need to root it, jailbreak it, whatever. Then you have a phone with a bad input device. Yes you can improve it with something like hacker keyboard and whatever, but it is far far from being productive like a normal computer. I am aware more and more people only use smart phones and don't own a general computer any longer, but that is a really sad development. A smart phone will usually not encourage experimentation and getting into general computing. It is a dumbed down device. Yes, one should be able to use a phone for computing, but generally that's not available out of the box and it takes effort to make it somewhat OK to use it for computing.

Levitz 3y ago

Depending on how comfortable you are with tinkering with your devices (in terms of software) I recommend you take a look at LineageOS and check if your device is supported. I used a motorola moto g (the one with 1 GB of RAM!) from 2015 until last year.