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Don't bother going to work anymore then wait for the call. Tell them your contracting rate is 500$ per hour.

syndicatedjelly 3y ago
Are you joking? This is extraordinarily bad advice and a great way to get blacklisted. At least be a little more tactful about it…
- sys_64738 3y ago
  Blacklisted by who exactly? It’s a stupid job not something sinister. This is a standard tactic used by plenty of folk.
  - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
    Maybe in “stupid-job” land, your reputation doesn’t matter and it’s normal to light it on fire for a quick buck. After 5 years working in a very successful product line, core to the company This makes me think that what they do isn’t some “stupid job”. Not every subfield is massive with tons of nameless bosses and employers; sometimes people are really specialized. Word about shitty behavior spreads. Kinda like how word spreads in the dev community about bad employers
    - gregjor 3y ago
      Remember when your parents and teachers and pastor told you about your "permanent record?" You can stop worrying about that now, it's a lie. Criminal record, yes. Credit record yes. What you did in school or at the last job... no. Most employers don't even check references. There's no equivalent of a job FICO score, no "blacklist" to get on. Sure, if you do something illegal or outrageous maybe you'll create problems down the road, but that's not even likely. Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did. There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate. That's how probably half of contractors and freelancers get started. And it's very common with C-suite and executive types, and politicians.
      - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        > There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate. I don’t disagree with that. No one does. > Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did. Are those supposed to be examples of people whose behavior we should emulate? Would you feel good about cheating and lying your way to the top? > Don't bother going to work anymore then wait for the call. Tell them your contracting rate is 500$ per hour. Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that.
        sys_64738 3y ago
        > Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that. You really sound confused about your moral obligation to any employer. Hint: you have none. Contractors are not extorting or blackmailing. You sound like a manager or owner of a business who doesn’t grasp what the employment relationship is.
        syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        You know, I’m interested in having an intellectually honest and respectful discussion. I’m not an employer or boss; just a lowly dev with a tiny bit of self respect. Good day to you.
        gregjor 3y ago
        I don't read blackmail into that. I took it literally: quit the job and if/when they call tell them you're charging $500/hr. That's a high but not crazy high consulting rate. If someone quitting their job, or just getting sick, means critical systems will fail, that says the management didn't bother planning to mitigate that risk -- they didn't manage, in other words. If business continuity depends on one or a few key employees never leaving that business needs more competent management. As for Adam Neumann and SBF, I intended to make the point that despite a well-known history of fraud and behavior worse than quitting and charging $500/hr they got multiple chances. I could name many other examples of serial failures and scammers in the tech industry. I don't condone that behavior or propose we emulate it. I gave those examples to counter the argument that quitting and contracting back to an employer would somehow tarnish a reputation, or that our professional reputations even exist anywhere except our own imaginations, or that anyone will bother to check work history. You specifically mentioned getting blacklisted. Who maintains that blacklist? Can you explain in an intellectually honest way what you mean by that?
- ipaddr 3y ago
  If a blacklist exists where can we view it?

Are you joking? This is extraordinarily bad advice and a great way to get blacklisted. At least be a little more tactful about it…

sys_64738 3y ago
Blacklisted by who exactly? It’s a stupid job not something sinister. This is a standard tactic used by plenty of folk.
- syndicatedjelly 3y ago
  Maybe in “stupid-job” land, your reputation doesn’t matter and it’s normal to light it on fire for a quick buck. After 5 years working in a very successful product line, core to the company This makes me think that what they do isn’t some “stupid job”. Not every subfield is massive with tons of nameless bosses and employers; sometimes people are really specialized. Word about shitty behavior spreads. Kinda like how word spreads in the dev community about bad employers
  - gregjor 3y ago
    Remember when your parents and teachers and pastor told you about your "permanent record?" You can stop worrying about that now, it's a lie. Criminal record, yes. Credit record yes. What you did in school or at the last job... no. Most employers don't even check references. There's no equivalent of a job FICO score, no "blacklist" to get on. Sure, if you do something illegal or outrageous maybe you'll create problems down the road, but that's not even likely. Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did. There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate. That's how probably half of contractors and freelancers get started. And it's very common with C-suite and executive types, and politicians.
    - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
      > There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate. I don’t disagree with that. No one does. > Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did. Are those supposed to be examples of people whose behavior we should emulate? Would you feel good about cheating and lying your way to the top? > Don't bother going to work anymore then wait for the call. Tell them your contracting rate is 500$ per hour. Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that.
      - sys_64738 3y ago
        > Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that. You really sound confused about your moral obligation to any employer. Hint: you have none. Contractors are not extorting or blackmailing. You sound like a manager or owner of a business who doesn’t grasp what the employment relationship is.
        syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        You know, I’m interested in having an intellectually honest and respectful discussion. I’m not an employer or boss; just a lowly dev with a tiny bit of self respect. Good day to you.
      - gregjor 3y ago
        I don't read blackmail into that. I took it literally: quit the job and if/when they call tell them you're charging $500/hr. That's a high but not crazy high consulting rate. If someone quitting their job, or just getting sick, means critical systems will fail, that says the management didn't bother planning to mitigate that risk -- they didn't manage, in other words. If business continuity depends on one or a few key employees never leaving that business needs more competent management. As for Adam Neumann and SBF, I intended to make the point that despite a well-known history of fraud and behavior worse than quitting and charging $500/hr they got multiple chances. I could name many other examples of serial failures and scammers in the tech industry. I don't condone that behavior or propose we emulate it. I gave those examples to counter the argument that quitting and contracting back to an employer would somehow tarnish a reputation, or that our professional reputations even exist anywhere except our own imaginations, or that anyone will bother to check work history. You specifically mentioned getting blacklisted. Who maintains that blacklist? Can you explain in an intellectually honest way what you mean by that?
ipaddr 3y ago
If a blacklist exists where can we view it?