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comparable to the iOS stuff at least. I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high

by rtpg 3y ago

comparable to the iOS stuff at least. I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). I really appreciate the iOS support window but it's messed up that their laptops ad desktops (which can last _so long_ and be useful!) just fall out of support despite still being very capable machines. The kicker of course is I at least updated it all to MacOS 12 to give to a friend and everything still ran extremely well. But at one point these machines will stop working for purely incidental reasons

sneak 3y ago
Well, the phones haven’t been through an architecture change recently, while the laptops and desktops have. I think you’ll be safe on ARM macs for 10 full years.
- rtpg 3y ago
  but the i7s are still there, and still getting updates. I get that there's a legit question of having 2015 MBPs lying around, but honestly just having a switch to let you install it feels legit. It's not like the hardware is changing that much over the years, and they have to have the OS support a bunch of hardware configurations anyways
  - sentientslug 3y ago
    Metal is one of the reasons the 2015 macs were dropped from support: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894
mixmastamyk 3y ago
We put Mint on a free iMac from ~2010 and it works great.
turquoisevar 3y ago
> I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). They’re talking about security updates. Your definition of support seems to be “latest bells and whistles with a major release.” Your 2015 MBP was eligible for a Safari security update released last month and a macOS security update the month before[0]. This means your 2015 MBP receives similar support as the iPhone they mentioned. We can argue if seven years of the “latest and greatest” is sufficient for a laptop before it is relegated to just security updates, but I don’t understand the lament. It’s a capable machine, as you said, and it still ran great. If the manufacturer gives you all that was advertised at purchase and then some and then ensures it’s safe to use while not receiving new bells and whistles, how is that a demerit that causes frustration on your end?
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  Forgot the link. 0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222
tompark 3y ago
Not truly "out of support for a while" -- it was fully supported right up until a couple months ago. I was worried that Apple was going to discontinue support for my early-2015 13" MBP after their new Mac announcements in the late Oct 2023 event, so I took it to the Apple Store in Sept and had them replace the battery which had been needing service for a while. It's stuck on macOS 12 Monterey, but got a macOS security update in Oct (possibly its last) and a Safari update just over a week ago.

by rtpg 3y ago

sneak 3y ago

Well, the phones haven’t been through an architecture change recently, while the laptops and desktops have. I think you’ll be safe on ARM macs for 10 full years.

rtpg 3y ago
but the i7s are still there, and still getting updates. I get that there's a legit question of having 2015 MBPs lying around, but honestly just having a switch to let you install it feels legit. It's not like the hardware is changing that much over the years, and they have to have the OS support a bunch of hardware configurations anyways
- sentientslug 3y ago
  Metal is one of the reasons the 2015 macs were dropped from support: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894

mixmastamyk 3y ago

We put Mint on a free iMac from ~2010 and it works great.

turquoisevar 3y ago

> I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). They’re talking about security updates. Your definition of support seems to be “latest bells and whistles with a major release.” Your 2015 MBP was eligible for a Safari security update released last month and a macOS security update the month before[0]. This means your 2015 MBP receives similar support as the iPhone they mentioned. We can argue if seven years of the “latest and greatest” is sufficient for a laptop before it is relegated to just security updates, but I don’t understand the lament. It’s a capable machine, as you said, and it still ran great. If the manufacturer gives you all that was advertised at purchase and then some and then ensures it’s safe to use while not receiving new bells and whistles, how is that a demerit that causes frustration on your end?

turquoisevar 3y ago
Forgot the link. 0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

tompark 3y ago

Not truly "out of support for a while" -- it was fully supported right up until a couple months ago. I was worried that Apple was going to discontinue support for my early-2015 13" MBP after their new Mac announcements in the late Oct 2023 event, so I took it to the Apple Store in Sept and had them replace the battery which had been needing service for a while. It's stuck on macOS 12 Monterey, but got a macOS security update in Oct (possibly its last) and a Safari update just over a week ago.