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... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..

... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..."). It is not conspiracy anything to think it is certainly happening elsewhere. And there is so much critical open source stuff on github... that said, github is at least noscript/basic (x)html friendly for its core functions.

schemescape 3y ago
Sadly, viewing source code no longer appears to work without JavaScript… Edit: tested in w3m
- sylware 3y ago
  Indeed I have to git clone. Well, it is getting worse and worse.
chollida1 3y ago
> ... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..." Do we? What evidence is there that Microsoft was "pulling the strings in the shadows"? As far as we know Microsoft only found out a minute before Sam did that he was being fired.
- rossdavidh 3y ago
  Well, we found out that Microsoft is able to reverse essentially any decision they feel strongly about, which is essentially what "pulling the strings" means, in common usage.
  - chollida1 3y ago
    > Well, we found out that Microsoft is able to reverse essentially any decision they feel strongly about, which is essentially what "pulling the strings" means, in common usage. What specific decision did Microsoft reverse? We already know that they had no say in Sam's firing or any specific pull in his rehiring. Or is there any proof we have that Microsoft forced the reversal of Sam's firing?
    - whatshisface 3y ago
      Microsoft is a billion dollar company, they could hire away everyone at a McDonald's restaurant and buy the location if they didn't like how it was being run. They arguably have less power over OpenAI than they do over the average startup because they could probably buy any given startup outright but they ended up with nonvoting shares in OpenAI.
  - sylware 3y ago
    Yep, kind of obvious. And it is reasonable to think this is only the tip of the iceberg.

schemescape 3y ago

Sadly, viewing source code no longer appears to work without JavaScript… Edit: tested in w3m

sylware 3y ago
Indeed I have to git clone. Well, it is getting worse and worse.

chollida1 3y ago

> ... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..." Do we? What evidence is there that Microsoft was "pulling the strings in the shadows"? As far as we know Microsoft only found out a minute before Sam did that he was being fired.

rossdavidh 3y ago
Well, we found out that Microsoft is able to reverse essentially any decision they feel strongly about, which is essentially what "pulling the strings" means, in common usage.
- chollida1 3y ago
  > Well, we found out that Microsoft is able to reverse essentially any decision they feel strongly about, which is essentially what "pulling the strings" means, in common usage. What specific decision did Microsoft reverse? We already know that they had no say in Sam's firing or any specific pull in his rehiring. Or is there any proof we have that Microsoft forced the reversal of Sam's firing?
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    Microsoft is a billion dollar company, they could hire away everyone at a McDonald's restaurant and buy the location if they didn't like how it was being run. They arguably have less power over OpenAI than they do over the average startup because they could probably buy any given startup outright but they ended up with nonvoting shares in OpenAI.
- sylware 3y ago
  Yep, kind of obvious. And it is reasonable to think this is only the tip of the iceberg.