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Both, unlike in the US the Swedish post office is privatized and handled by multiple companies, eg Citymail also offers postal services. PostNord has won the t

Both, unlike in the US the Swedish post office is privatized and handled by multiple companies, eg Citymail also offers postal services. PostNord has won the tender with the Swedish transport authority though and as such is the one they should use. PostNord is the result of the merger between the privatized (but state owned) Swedish and Danish postal services. But also – union rights and postal rights needs to be weighed against each other here – both are important

hiatus 3y ago
I am surprised that in this case Swedes value individual rights over their duty to the public.
- Novosell 3y ago
  Their "duty to the public" being to deliver license plates to Tesla? Really?
  - hiatus 3y ago
    Their duty is to deliver mail is it not? Should mail carriers refuse to deliver political flyers because they disagree with the message??
    - flusensieb 3y ago
      Political flyers seem like something very different to license plates. The court might decide differently under different circumstances.
    - Novosell 3y ago
      It's not just random postal workers doing it though, it's union members doing it as part of a sympathy strike. And surely every workers "duty" is their job, so then no striking should be allowed? Or should only complete strikes be allowed? Union members should be allowed to go on strike, complete or partial as far as I'm concerned.
    - eddtries 3y ago
      Has there been a strike against a political party in Nordic union history?
    - VoxPelli 3y ago
      They are not refusing based on content, they are refusing based on recipient – two very different things. It just so happens that license plates are one of the things that gets blocked. Not because they are license plates but because Tesla is the receiver.
- piva00 3y ago
  Tesla is not the public.
  - hiatus 3y ago
    Are companies excluded from your idea of the public or just Tesla? I'm genuinely curious. I couldn't care less about Tesla in this case, I am just trying to understand how people are okay with civil servants picking and choosing who they render services to.
    - eddtries 3y ago
      That isn’t what’s happening here, it’s unions striking. Employees can’t just do this randomly, it has to be part of an organised strike which is fairly rare. Once the strikes in place the private employees (not civil servants) who belong to unions will follow recommendations of actions.
    - piva00 3y ago
      They are not civil servants. They are employees of PostNord, which is a company owned by the government but the employees have the same rights as any other employee: to organise themselves. They've organised on a sympathy strike against Tesla, to boycott doing their work that would have Tesla as a customer in sympathy with IF Metall's strike. All of that is completely legal and acceptable. Employees of a company (PostNord) are joining together with employees from another company to fight against a company trying to avoid the rules on how the labour market works here. There's no "civil servant" in play. Everyone is a worker. Accept that it's a different culture, maybe not better or worse than yours but different. Here the labour market is a free market, the government doesn't regulate much, and it's up to negotiations directly between the participants of the market: employers and employees. For that a lot of companies agree under a Collective Bargaining Agreement the minimum bar expected for employers to respect when contracting employees. These CBAs complement the bare minimum legislation around the labour market from government, they are a cornerstone of almost all labour relationship instead of heavy government regulations. Those are the rules of the game, Tesla is trying to break them, and worse, they brought scabs to break through the strike, which is really not tolerated in this culture. Because of that they have the sympathy of workers from other industries that Tesla relies on, since Tesla is trying to break the social contract of the labour market, other workers feel that is infringing on their own rights since it will create a precedent for other companies to also ignore the rules of the game. This is what is in play, I hope you understand it's not your culture, it's ok to be ignorant about it but I expect smart people to also be able to learn a different perspective instead of keeping spouting their ignorance.
- VoxPelli 3y ago
  Collective rights against an individual company* Sweden protects the rights of workers

hiatus 3y ago

I am surprised that in this case Swedes value individual rights over their duty to the public.

Novosell 3y ago
Their "duty to the public" being to deliver license plates to Tesla? Really?
- hiatus 3y ago
  Their duty is to deliver mail is it not? Should mail carriers refuse to deliver political flyers because they disagree with the message??
  - flusensieb 3y ago
    Political flyers seem like something very different to license plates. The court might decide differently under different circumstances.
  - Novosell 3y ago
    It's not just random postal workers doing it though, it's union members doing it as part of a sympathy strike. And surely every workers "duty" is their job, so then no striking should be allowed? Or should only complete strikes be allowed? Union members should be allowed to go on strike, complete or partial as far as I'm concerned.
  - eddtries 3y ago
    Has there been a strike against a political party in Nordic union history?
  - VoxPelli 3y ago
    They are not refusing based on content, they are refusing based on recipient – two very different things. It just so happens that license plates are one of the things that gets blocked. Not because they are license plates but because Tesla is the receiver.
piva00 3y ago
Tesla is not the public.
- hiatus 3y ago
  Are companies excluded from your idea of the public or just Tesla? I'm genuinely curious. I couldn't care less about Tesla in this case, I am just trying to understand how people are okay with civil servants picking and choosing who they render services to.
  - eddtries 3y ago
    That isn’t what’s happening here, it’s unions striking. Employees can’t just do this randomly, it has to be part of an organised strike which is fairly rare. Once the strikes in place the private employees (not civil servants) who belong to unions will follow recommendations of actions.
  - piva00 3y ago
    They are not civil servants. They are employees of PostNord, which is a company owned by the government but the employees have the same rights as any other employee: to organise themselves. They've organised on a sympathy strike against Tesla, to boycott doing their work that would have Tesla as a customer in sympathy with IF Metall's strike. All of that is completely legal and acceptable. Employees of a company (PostNord) are joining together with employees from another company to fight against a company trying to avoid the rules on how the labour market works here. There's no "civil servant" in play. Everyone is a worker. Accept that it's a different culture, maybe not better or worse than yours but different. Here the labour market is a free market, the government doesn't regulate much, and it's up to negotiations directly between the participants of the market: employers and employees. For that a lot of companies agree under a Collective Bargaining Agreement the minimum bar expected for employers to respect when contracting employees. These CBAs complement the bare minimum legislation around the labour market from government, they are a cornerstone of almost all labour relationship instead of heavy government regulations. Those are the rules of the game, Tesla is trying to break them, and worse, they brought scabs to break through the strike, which is really not tolerated in this culture. Because of that they have the sympathy of workers from other industries that Tesla relies on, since Tesla is trying to break the social contract of the labour market, other workers feel that is infringing on their own rights since it will create a precedent for other companies to also ignore the rules of the game. This is what is in play, I hope you understand it's not your culture, it's ok to be ignorant about it but I expect smart people to also be able to learn a different perspective instead of keeping spouting their ignorance.
VoxPelli 3y ago
Collective rights against an individual company* Sweden protects the rights of workers