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Tesla should leave the market and let Swedes buy automobiles from their own brands... like... err... Saab which no longer exists... or Volvo, which now belongs

by gafage 3y ago

Tesla should leave the market and let Swedes buy automobiles from their own brands... like... err... Saab which no longer exists... or Volvo, which now belongs to a Chinese conglomerate...

surgical_fire 3y ago
Eh, plenty of decent cars from other brands (most better than Tesla). None of the other brands have issues to operate in Sweden. I think the Swedish will be fine.
tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
If Tesla leave Sweden, we will still have many many brands to pick from. Here in Sweden we can buy cars from other companies.
- throttlebody 3y ago
  A Tesla car is pretty much off the shopping list for me, due to Elon's behavior
tyingq 3y ago
Or, they could research the business climate and laws in a country before establishing a presence. Then feel free to buck established practice, but at least know the potential consequences.
- schiffern 3y ago
  Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment. Discovering this Swedish 'quirk' then vs. now wouldn't make Tesla any more likely to roll over to extralegal bullying tactics.
  - LesZedCB 3y ago
    they aren't extralegal. the strike actions are protected by law. they are exercising their legal right every bit as much as tesla is by suing (and losing).
  - abelsson 3y ago
    Tesla is free to not sign a CBA, and union members are free to not serve Tesla. Swedish labor market is very free (as in unencumbered by laws and government intervention).
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    What is extralegal currently?
  - turquoisevar 3y ago
    Extralegal? The right to strike is enshrined in the Swedish constitution of all things.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    > Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment. How exactly would it be "bad for Sweden" if Tesla never had entered? Tesla is just another large company. Why would it bad for Sweden if Tesla didn't enter their market because Tesla didn't want to comport itself according to Swedish laws and customs?
eddtries 3y ago
Polestars are pretty nice! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_3
- sigmoid10 3y ago
  That car starts at ~$90k. So maybe it's nice to have, but most people can't.
  - eddtries 3y ago
    The Tesla Model 3 is like $75k out here so it's not much more!
    - sigmoid10 3y ago
      The base Model 3 in Sweden starts under $50k.
  - VoxPelli 3y ago
    The Volvo EX30 will apparently be competitively priced and manufactured in Belgium for the European market eventually
  - paganel 3y ago
    And that's why EVs s*ck for most of the normal people here in Europe.
VoxPelli 3y ago
Volvo Cars is a company incorporated in Sweden and is traded on the Stockholm stock exchange. It does have a Chinese majority owner, but also large Swedish institutional investors and have to abide by Swedish corporate regulation and the regulations of the Stockholm stock exchange, so unfortunately it’s more complex than what you want it to be. Polestar is in turn majority owned by Volvo Cars but also traded on the New York Stock Exchange, having to abide by rules there Also, remember that time when Elon Musk claimed he would make Tesla private in cooperation with Saudi Arabia? Also speaking of Saab: The Emily GT is set to start production in the old Saab factory soon, if/when that happens it looks like a solid Tesla Model S competitor. Lastly: Remember the Tesla Semitruck? Well, Volvo and Scania is performing a bit better there… And Northvolt is supplying them batteries, and the Swedish carbon free steel will soon provide them great raw materials…
noirscape 3y ago
Tesla isn't the only car maker in existence. Hell, they're not even the only EV maker anymore these days and most car manufacturers aren't trying to brute force their way with how employee/employer relations are managed in a country they're not homed in. I don't think Tesla ending up exiting the Swedish market is the owngoal you think it is for Sweden.

by gafage 3y ago

Tesla should leave the market and let Swedes buy automobiles from their own brands... like... err... Saab which no longer exists... or Volvo, which now belongs to a Chinese conglomerate...

surgical_fire 3y ago

Eh, plenty of decent cars from other brands (most better than Tesla). None of the other brands have issues to operate in Sweden. I think the Swedish will be fine.

tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago

If Tesla leave Sweden, we will still have many many brands to pick from. Here in Sweden we can buy cars from other companies.

throttlebody 3y ago
A Tesla car is pretty much off the shopping list for me, due to Elon's behavior

tyingq 3y ago

Or, they could research the business climate and laws in a country before establishing a presence. Then feel free to buck established practice, but at least know the potential consequences.

schiffern 3y ago
Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment. Discovering this Swedish 'quirk' then vs. now wouldn't make Tesla any more likely to roll over to extralegal bullying tactics.
- LesZedCB 3y ago
  they aren't extralegal. the strike actions are protected by law. they are exercising their legal right every bit as much as tesla is by suing (and losing).
- abelsson 3y ago
  Tesla is free to not sign a CBA, and union members are free to not serve Tesla. Swedish labor market is very free (as in unencumbered by laws and government intervention).
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  What is extralegal currently?
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  Extralegal? The right to strike is enshrined in the Swedish constitution of all things.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  > Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment. How exactly would it be "bad for Sweden" if Tesla never had entered? Tesla is just another large company. Why would it bad for Sweden if Tesla didn't enter their market because Tesla didn't want to comport itself according to Swedish laws and customs?

eddtries 3y ago

Polestars are pretty nice! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_3

sigmoid10 3y ago
That car starts at ~$90k. So maybe it's nice to have, but most people can't.
- eddtries 3y ago
  The Tesla Model 3 is like $75k out here so it's not much more!
  - sigmoid10 3y ago
    The base Model 3 in Sweden starts under $50k.
- VoxPelli 3y ago
  The Volvo EX30 will apparently be competitively priced and manufactured in Belgium for the European market eventually
- paganel 3y ago
  And that's why EVs s*ck for most of the normal people here in Europe.

VoxPelli 3y ago

Volvo Cars is a company incorporated in Sweden and is traded on the Stockholm stock exchange. It does have a Chinese majority owner, but also large Swedish institutional investors and have to abide by Swedish corporate regulation and the regulations of the Stockholm stock exchange, so unfortunately it’s more complex than what you want it to be. Polestar is in turn majority owned by Volvo Cars but also traded on the New York Stock Exchange, having to abide by rules there Also, remember that time when Elon Musk claimed he would make Tesla private in cooperation with Saudi Arabia? Also speaking of Saab: The Emily GT is set to start production in the old Saab factory soon, if/when that happens it looks like a solid Tesla Model S competitor. Lastly: Remember the Tesla Semitruck? Well, Volvo and Scania is performing a bit better there… And Northvolt is supplying them batteries, and the Swedish carbon free steel will soon provide them great raw materials…

noirscape 3y ago

Tesla isn't the only car maker in existence. Hell, they're not even the only EV maker anymore these days and most car manufacturers aren't trying to brute force their way with how employee/employer relations are managed in a country they're not homed in. I don't think Tesla ending up exiting the Swedish market is the owngoal you think it is for Sweden.