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Not sure I’d put a lot of stock in that. My behavior has completely changed, why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go t

Not sure I’d put a lot of stock in that. My behavior has completely changed, why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go to a real restaurant and get much better food for cheaper? Delivery made sense when it was artificially subsidized by VCs, now that they’ve all jacked prices it’s not competitive at all.

Aaargh20318 3y ago
> why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go to a real restaurant and get much better food for cheaper? Because you can eat it in the comfort of your own home, instead of the discomfort of an unfamiliar place surrounded by strangers. It may just be me but I really do not like eating in public.
- stickfigure 3y ago
  It's absolutely incredible how much you can learn about cooking from youtube. My family rarely goes out to restaurants anymore, not because we don't love restaurants, but because it's more fun to cook at home.
  - hilux 3y ago
    You are so lucky to have a family who cook together!
  - bluGill 3y ago
    You quickly realize that most restaurants serve terrible food and so it isn't worth eating out at all.
    - tayo42 3y ago
      I pretty much only go out now for stuff I can't make my self, or as a social thing. Most restaurant food needs to be simple and easy so they can get you in and out quick.
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    It can be fun but its literally a two hour commitment usually to prepare a big meal, eat it, then deal with the hellfire you created in the kichen. I don’t always have the energy for that at the end of the workday.
- ecshafer 3y ago
  Eating out isn't uncomfortable. You get to people watch, make small talk with the waiter, talk with the person you are eating with, read a book if you are alone. You also get a chance to get out of the house for a while, I love eating out, and honestly only having a baby (which does add complexity) is the only reason I don't eat out more.
  - geodel 3y ago
    True. But it is more about trend like watching movie in multiplex is fun, there are those large butter popcorn containers, soda machine, bigger screen, better sound and so on. But more people are now streaming than going out for movie. So now I think more people then ever will be having restaurant food at comfort of home and not worrying about traffic, driving, cabs, parking, crowd, one more beer or wine glass etc.
  - gspencley 3y ago
    > Eating out isn't uncomfortable That really depends on your personality. Not only is "people watching" not my thing, but the idea of other people "people watching" me is terrifyingly uncomfortable. Sends shivers down my spine level of discomfort. Please don't watch me while I eat. Some of us find the idea of "making small talk" with anyone, let alone wait staff, to be inherently uncomfortable. For others, eating is a social activity, or an opportunity to socialize, and they like that. Some people feel "trapped" if they are cooped up inside their homes for too long, and need reasons to "get out of the house." That sounds like you, and that's great. Nothing wrong with it at all and you should enjoy eating out as much as you like. For others such as myself, who are introverted and find great comfort in the solitude of our homes, the reasons that you find eating out to be comfortable are the same reasons we find eating out to be uncomfortable.
    - mckn1ght 3y ago
      > Please don't watch me while I eat If it makes you feel any better, and maybe I'm only speaking for myself, but when I people watch, I'm barely paying attention, and I'm never really watching people actually eating. It's the activities around the eating, mostly just walking and talking (this is why I really like European sidewalk cafes, you get an endless river of people passing by to watch). I'm not taking detailed notes on anything, and definitely not bite sizes, how many times you chew, how messy you are etc. That's all too close for my own comfort. Couldn't care less about that stuff. Probably the most info I retain is new ideas on how to dress myself, outside of exceptional or weird situations that might arise in public. Which, OK, in the context of this thread, I might notice the people carrying two or more heaping mountains of food to their table at a time.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Here in Spain the restaurant is actually part of the experience. Like a beneficial thing. It's nice to truly get away. With colleagues we eat at a restaurant for lunch at least once a week. It helps that pretty much all places have a three course daily menu with drink for around €12.
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  At which point its always better to just pick it up yourself unless you absolutely cannot go do that for whatever reason. Not only is it significantly cheaper, but the food is also significantly hotter.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Because you can eat it in the comfort of your own home, instead of the discomfort of an unfamiliar place surrounded by strangers. People never ate out because of the food. They ate out because of the dining experience. You can make better meals, cheaper, at home, in less time than it takes to go out. Yet people still dined out. And, they pay a premium for it. There is no sense in paying a premium for home delivery, because you are getting substandard meals[1]. [1] Few dishes travel well in a bag, even if it's packaged properly and delivered quickly - steam rising off hot food that is not ventilated causes things to go soggy. If you do ventilate it, then it goes cold in minutes while traveling. Then reheating the food makes it less nice than it was when cooked. Hence, all delivered food tend to be slightly different to eating it off a plate when it is freshly cooked. Even pizzas suffer from being steamed while traveling.
  - bonton89 3y ago
    I actually assumed eating at home increase wouldn't be because of doordash, but because of improved quality and variety of frozen meals. I remember what was available when I was a kid was mostly mediocre to outright bad. Now a lot of things like quite good frozen pizzas and lots of entrees you'd normally get at a sit-down chain are available in the frozen food section. I'm a pretty poor cook but I can't screw up following the oven directions on a box and I'd get the result faster and cheaper than doordash. It isn't as good as a home cooked meal but it is a lot better than the awful TV dinners I rarely ate back in the 80s.
  - kevinmchugh 3y ago
    > You can make better meals, cheaper, at home, in less time than it takes to go out. This is going to be highly dependent on your local restaurants and what you like to eat. I can't make better bbq or pizza than the restaurants near me. I can make either of those pretty well, but not faster. I can make a pretty good burger, competitive with almost all the restaurants near me, but I can't make French fries as good as a restaurant with a fryer.
- OfficeChad 3y ago
  Average HN work from home remotecel autist.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  While this is a valid preference, I think it may be a rather unusual one; people tend to like going out.
HideousKojima 3y ago
I mean I never pay for delivery (except very rarely pizza) but I still do takeout over eating in the restaurant 90% of the time.
geodel 3y ago
One big thing is take out. It is quite common in many countries. Maybe not in US yet. Lot of people grab food from restaurant or stores on their way home from work. Some people even pick from different places to have some combo meal at home which is not possible while eating in a restaurant.
- rascul 3y ago
  It's quite common in the US.
gspencley 3y ago
> why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go to a real restaurant and get much better food for cheaper? 1. I don't have to drive 2. I don't have to listen to other people talking loud or being obnoxious while I'm trying to eat my meal and have a quiet private conversation with my wife 3. I can enjoy it in the comfort of my home, whether this means eating dinner in front of the tv, or enjoying a scotch or wine we have at home, or even just being able to get out of the clothes we've been in all day and enjoy comfort food in our PJs 4. I don't have to brave the cold or wet weather 5. I don't have to deal with wait staff interrupting my meal every 5 minutes to ask if everything is ok 6. I don't have to worry about music that I don't care for, or is distracting, being played while I eat 7. I don't have to worry about dirty dishes on the table, or the table itself being dirty (although to be fair I have no control over the dishes used to prepare the food and so some might consider this to be moot) 8. I don't have to worry about my home being crowded and busy with strangers, making for an uncomfortable dining experience. My mother once took me to a restaurant to celebrate my birthday, just the two of us. I'm a foodie and, despite listing several reasons I often prefer delivery / take-out over dine-in, I actually do love a great restaurant and the food at this particular place was supposed to be amazing. The two of us were put in a tiny corner in a crowded restaurant so close to the tables nearest us that the three parties (us plus our neighbours on either side) could hear every single word of each others' conversations. It was practically a communal table situation. Edit: I forgot to mention that we had a reservation which made this experience all the more frustrating. Which leads me to... 9. I don't have to worry about finding myself at a restaurant that has communal tables 10. I don't have to worry about people celebrating their birthdays receiving a loud and obnoxious group of wait staff bursting out of the kitchen to interrupt the entire restaurant's private conversations with an annoying song and cheer I recognize that a lot of the above points can be avoided by choosing a different restaurant. But sometimes you still want the food of a particular restaurant but that restaurant's dining atmosphere is what kills it for you.
- sfink 3y ago
  > 5. I don't have to deal with wait staff interrupting my meal every 5 minutes to ask if everything is ok I'm sure you know this, but they're actually interrupting your meal every 5 minutes to minimize any possible delay in seating the next person after you. They just accomplish that by asking if everything is ok. It's all about throughput. (And it's a US thing. In France, among other places, you're expected to be the only group using the table for that meal. Which means they're in no rush for you to finish, but also that they are not happy if a group sits down but only a subset of people order food. Sometimes to the extent of asking you to leave.)
wkat4242 3y ago
Yeah and you don't have to do the dishes afterwards. And it's served hot and you can order more if you feel like it.

Aaargh20318 3y ago

> why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go to a real restaurant and get much better food for cheaper? Because you can eat it in the comfort of your own home, instead of the discomfort of an unfamiliar place surrounded by strangers. It may just be me but I really do not like eating in public.

stickfigure 3y ago
It's absolutely incredible how much you can learn about cooking from youtube. My family rarely goes out to restaurants anymore, not because we don't love restaurants, but because it's more fun to cook at home.
- hilux 3y ago
  You are so lucky to have a family who cook together!
- bluGill 3y ago
  You quickly realize that most restaurants serve terrible food and so it isn't worth eating out at all.
  - tayo42 3y ago
    I pretty much only go out now for stuff I can't make my self, or as a social thing. Most restaurant food needs to be simple and easy so they can get you in and out quick.
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  It can be fun but its literally a two hour commitment usually to prepare a big meal, eat it, then deal with the hellfire you created in the kichen. I don’t always have the energy for that at the end of the workday.
ecshafer 3y ago
Eating out isn't uncomfortable. You get to people watch, make small talk with the waiter, talk with the person you are eating with, read a book if you are alone. You also get a chance to get out of the house for a while, I love eating out, and honestly only having a baby (which does add complexity) is the only reason I don't eat out more.
- geodel 3y ago
  True. But it is more about trend like watching movie in multiplex is fun, there are those large butter popcorn containers, soda machine, bigger screen, better sound and so on. But more people are now streaming than going out for movie. So now I think more people then ever will be having restaurant food at comfort of home and not worrying about traffic, driving, cabs, parking, crowd, one more beer or wine glass etc.
- gspencley 3y ago
  > Eating out isn't uncomfortable That really depends on your personality. Not only is "people watching" not my thing, but the idea of other people "people watching" me is terrifyingly uncomfortable. Sends shivers down my spine level of discomfort. Please don't watch me while I eat. Some of us find the idea of "making small talk" with anyone, let alone wait staff, to be inherently uncomfortable. For others, eating is a social activity, or an opportunity to socialize, and they like that. Some people feel "trapped" if they are cooped up inside their homes for too long, and need reasons to "get out of the house." That sounds like you, and that's great. Nothing wrong with it at all and you should enjoy eating out as much as you like. For others such as myself, who are introverted and find great comfort in the solitude of our homes, the reasons that you find eating out to be comfortable are the same reasons we find eating out to be uncomfortable.
  - mckn1ght 3y ago
    > Please don't watch me while I eat If it makes you feel any better, and maybe I'm only speaking for myself, but when I people watch, I'm barely paying attention, and I'm never really watching people actually eating. It's the activities around the eating, mostly just walking and talking (this is why I really like European sidewalk cafes, you get an endless river of people passing by to watch). I'm not taking detailed notes on anything, and definitely not bite sizes, how many times you chew, how messy you are etc. That's all too close for my own comfort. Couldn't care less about that stuff. Probably the most info I retain is new ideas on how to dress myself, outside of exceptional or weird situations that might arise in public. Which, OK, in the context of this thread, I might notice the people carrying two or more heaping mountains of food to their table at a time.
wkat4242 3y ago
Here in Spain the restaurant is actually part of the experience. Like a beneficial thing. It's nice to truly get away. With colleagues we eat at a restaurant for lunch at least once a week. It helps that pretty much all places have a three course daily menu with drink for around €12.
kjkjadksj 3y ago
At which point its always better to just pick it up yourself unless you absolutely cannot go do that for whatever reason. Not only is it significantly cheaper, but the food is also significantly hotter.
lelanthran 3y ago
> Because you can eat it in the comfort of your own home, instead of the discomfort of an unfamiliar place surrounded by strangers. People never ate out because of the food. They ate out because of the dining experience. You can make better meals, cheaper, at home, in less time than it takes to go out. Yet people still dined out. And, they pay a premium for it. There is no sense in paying a premium for home delivery, because you are getting substandard meals[1]. [1] Few dishes travel well in a bag, even if it's packaged properly and delivered quickly - steam rising off hot food that is not ventilated causes things to go soggy. If you do ventilate it, then it goes cold in minutes while traveling. Then reheating the food makes it less nice than it was when cooked. Hence, all delivered food tend to be slightly different to eating it off a plate when it is freshly cooked. Even pizzas suffer from being steamed while traveling.
- bonton89 3y ago
  I actually assumed eating at home increase wouldn't be because of doordash, but because of improved quality and variety of frozen meals. I remember what was available when I was a kid was mostly mediocre to outright bad. Now a lot of things like quite good frozen pizzas and lots of entrees you'd normally get at a sit-down chain are available in the frozen food section. I'm a pretty poor cook but I can't screw up following the oven directions on a box and I'd get the result faster and cheaper than doordash. It isn't as good as a home cooked meal but it is a lot better than the awful TV dinners I rarely ate back in the 80s.
- kevinmchugh 3y ago
  > You can make better meals, cheaper, at home, in less time than it takes to go out. This is going to be highly dependent on your local restaurants and what you like to eat. I can't make better bbq or pizza than the restaurants near me. I can make either of those pretty well, but not faster. I can make a pretty good burger, competitive with almost all the restaurants near me, but I can't make French fries as good as a restaurant with a fryer.
OfficeChad 3y ago
Average HN work from home remotecel autist.
rsynnott 3y ago
While this is a valid preference, I think it may be a rather unusual one; people tend to like going out.

HideousKojima 3y ago

I mean I never pay for delivery (except very rarely pizza) but I still do takeout over eating in the restaurant 90% of the time.

geodel 3y ago

One big thing is take out. It is quite common in many countries. Maybe not in US yet. Lot of people grab food from restaurant or stores on their way home from work. Some people even pick from different places to have some combo meal at home which is not possible while eating in a restaurant.

rascul 3y ago
It's quite common in the US.

gspencley 3y ago

> why would I pay DoorDash or Uber Eats $30 to deliver some fast food when I can go to a real restaurant and get much better food for cheaper? 1. I don't have to drive 2. I don't have to listen to other people talking loud or being obnoxious while I'm trying to eat my meal and have a quiet private conversation with my wife 3. I can enjoy it in the comfort of my home, whether this means eating dinner in front of the tv, or enjoying a scotch or wine we have at home, or even just being able to get out of the clothes we've been in all day and enjoy comfort food in our PJs 4. I don't have to brave the cold or wet weather 5. I don't have to deal with wait staff interrupting my meal every 5 minutes to ask if everything is ok 6. I don't have to worry about music that I don't care for, or is distracting, being played while I eat 7. I don't have to worry about dirty dishes on the table, or the table itself being dirty (although to be fair I have no control over the dishes used to prepare the food and so some might consider this to be moot) 8. I don't have to worry about my home being crowded and busy with strangers, making for an uncomfortable dining experience. My mother once took me to a restaurant to celebrate my birthday, just the two of us. I'm a foodie and, despite listing several reasons I often prefer delivery / take-out over dine-in, I actually do love a great restaurant and the food at this particular place was supposed to be amazing. The two of us were put in a tiny corner in a crowded restaurant so close to the tables nearest us that the three parties (us plus our neighbours on either side) could hear every single word of each others' conversations. It was practically a communal table situation. Edit: I forgot to mention that we had a reservation which made this experience all the more frustrating. Which leads me to... 9. I don't have to worry about finding myself at a restaurant that has communal tables 10. I don't have to worry about people celebrating their birthdays receiving a loud and obnoxious group of wait staff bursting out of the kitchen to interrupt the entire restaurant's private conversations with an annoying song and cheer I recognize that a lot of the above points can be avoided by choosing a different restaurant. But sometimes you still want the food of a particular restaurant but that restaurant's dining atmosphere is what kills it for you.

sfink 3y ago
> 5. I don't have to deal with wait staff interrupting my meal every 5 minutes to ask if everything is ok I'm sure you know this, but they're actually interrupting your meal every 5 minutes to minimize any possible delay in seating the next person after you. They just accomplish that by asking if everything is ok. It's all about throughput. (And it's a US thing. In France, among other places, you're expected to be the only group using the table for that meal. Which means they're in no rush for you to finish, but also that they are not happy if a group sits down but only a subset of people order food. Sometimes to the extent of asking you to leave.)

wkat4242 3y ago

Yeah and you don't have to do the dishes afterwards. And it's served hot and you can order more if you feel like it.