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Falsy. Torrenting and 4k streaming are the crab leg enthusiasts. Who's paying to expand the pipes to customers? Netflix refuses to, even though they were consum

Falsy. Torrenting and 4k streaming are the crab leg enthusiasts. Who's paying to expand the pipes to customers? Netflix refuses to, even though they were consuming a jaw dropping amount of bandwidth compared to all other services. And the cartels (Comcast etc) also refuse. So this has sometimes become an infrastructure problem where taxes etc are roped in. And not all packets are the same. As much as net neutrality is a good idea at 10,000 feet. When you look into details like 911 calls over Wifi shouldn't actually share priority with 4k VR porn.

callalex 3y ago
> Who's paying to expand the pipes to customers? The customers are. Comcast is charging every one of their customers $80+ per month to connect to internet infrastructure that they update maybe once every 20 years. They have massive profit margins, this is public data. > And not all packets are the same. As much as net neutrality is a good idea at 10,000 feet. When you look into details like 911 calls over Wifi shouldn't actually share priority with 4k VR porn. QOS is entirely unrelated to charging money for data packets used and is already a solved problem with existing infrastructure and technology, so I don’t really understand why you brought up this straw man.
a1369209993 3y ago
> When you look into details like 911 calls over Wifi shouldn't actually share priority with 4k VR porn. That's irrelevant, because sane people don't try to stream 4k VR porn and make 911 calls simultaneously on the same device. Just give each device ~64Kbps (enough for even a uncompressed phone call) that it has exclusive first dibs on. For robustness, give each modem ~1Mbps that it has exclusive first dibs on, so 16 people in the same house can't stomp on each other's traffic[0]. This works fine even if the porn and the 911 calls are both going over indistiguishable TOR connections, as they ideally should be in order to deny ISPs the physical possibility of not having net neutrality (though that's not always practical). (A alternative option is to always allocate marginal bandwidth to the device that's using the least bandwidth total, which avoids having to know what a phone call costs, but seems like it would harder to make reliable in practice.) 0: Technically this is the only part you can properly enforce, since a user could reprogram their modem to give more bandwidth to certain devices, but the 64Kbps/device limit is good default, and if they change it, any problems are on them.
wkat4242 3y ago
Netflix places edge caches at all major providers so they pay for it that way.

callalex 3y ago

> Who's paying to expand the pipes to customers? The customers are. Comcast is charging every one of their customers $80+ per month to connect to internet infrastructure that they update maybe once every 20 years. They have massive profit margins, this is public data. > And not all packets are the same. As much as net neutrality is a good idea at 10,000 feet. When you look into details like 911 calls over Wifi shouldn't actually share priority with 4k VR porn. QOS is entirely unrelated to charging money for data packets used and is already a solved problem with existing infrastructure and technology, so I don’t really understand why you brought up this straw man.

a1369209993 3y ago

> When you look into details like 911 calls over Wifi shouldn't actually share priority with 4k VR porn. That's irrelevant, because sane people don't try to stream 4k VR porn and make 911 calls simultaneously on the same device. Just give each device ~64Kbps (enough for even a uncompressed phone call) that it has exclusive first dibs on. For robustness, give each modem ~1Mbps that it has exclusive first dibs on, so 16 people in the same house can't stomp on each other's traffic[0]. This works fine even if the porn and the 911 calls are both going over indistiguishable TOR connections, as they ideally should be in order to deny ISPs the physical possibility of not having net neutrality (though that's not always practical). (A alternative option is to always allocate marginal bandwidth to the device that's using the least bandwidth total, which avoids having to know what a phone call costs, but seems like it would harder to make reliable in practice.) 0: Technically this is the only part you can properly enforce, since a user could reprogram their modem to give more bandwidth to certain devices, but the 64Kbps/device limit is good default, and if they change it, any problems are on them.

wkat4242 3y ago

Netflix places edge caches at all major providers so they pay for it that way.