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Actually no, we really did forget how to nail boards together. Skilled labor vanished as other wages rose. Making a new house used to actually cost less than b

Actually no, we really did forget how to nail boards together. Skilled labor vanished as other wages rose. Making a new house used to actually cost less than buying an existing one. Today, the calculation has changed, and it is more expensive, mostly because of the labor costs. They're only able to build in areas where there are fewer available jobs so there's no price pressure. Literally people leaving the skilled trades because job pricing pressure to work somewhere else. I've even met jr developers that used to be electricians. It's going to be hard to "remember" the trades. Permits are taking 5 years in esoteric oddball projects. The reality is a permit for a SFH takes a few months to get approved, even less for ADUs.

jeffbee 3y ago
Sorry but the data isn't on your side. The population-weighted time to get a housing permit in California, as the most extremely bogus example, is well over 4 years. This information is available from California HCD's online dashboard. The driving force behind high construction prices is soft costs and contractor profits. Labor costs in construction have been roughly inline with overall labor inflation across all industries. See https://twitter.com/FactChecker23/status/1730738575292113347/photo/2 https://twitter.com/FactChecker23/status/1730738575292113347...
- vlovich123 3y ago
  California definitely has a housing problem and looking at its data is a worst case scenario that’ll skew your perception of what it’s like in America as a whole - this mine is in Nevada not California. Also, I think the state has taken some positive action against NIMBY legislation but it will be a long fight to undo it. If things keep going SF is likely to run afoul of the build-positive regulations and end up suing the state/developers to fight needing to be in compliance. But again don’t see the relevance of California housing which is a municipal / state level issue to mining in Nevada on federal lands.
- throwitaway222 3y ago
  From your link: https://www.agc.org/sites/default/files/Files/Communications/2020_Outlook_Survey_National.pdf https://www.agc.org/sites/default/files/Files/Communications... Wow you're waaaay off. As someone in this industry I am acutely aware of how way off base you are. Look at answers 4 - 10, the rest of it backs this up too. I just got a recent permit done in 5 months - plan, submit, approval (submit->approval was 3). ADUs in CA are mandated at 60 days max for approval Also, outside of CA approvals in some jurisdictions are weeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Homebuilding/comments/sk3bd2/how_long_of_a_wait_is_it_for_permits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Homebuilding/comments/sk3bd2/how_lo...

jeffbee 3y ago

Sorry but the data isn't on your side. The population-weighted time to get a housing permit in California, as the most extremely bogus example, is well over 4 years. This information is available from California HCD's online dashboard. The driving force behind high construction prices is soft costs and contractor profits. Labor costs in construction have been roughly inline with overall labor inflation across all industries. See https://twitter.com/FactChecker23/status/1730738575292113347/photo/2 https://twitter.com/FactChecker23/status/1730738575292113347...

vlovich123 3y ago
California definitely has a housing problem and looking at its data is a worst case scenario that’ll skew your perception of what it’s like in America as a whole - this mine is in Nevada not California. Also, I think the state has taken some positive action against NIMBY legislation but it will be a long fight to undo it. If things keep going SF is likely to run afoul of the build-positive regulations and end up suing the state/developers to fight needing to be in compliance. But again don’t see the relevance of California housing which is a municipal / state level issue to mining in Nevada on federal lands.
throwitaway222 3y ago
From your link: https://www.agc.org/sites/default/files/Files/Communications/2020_Outlook_Survey_National.pdf https://www.agc.org/sites/default/files/Files/Communications... Wow you're waaaay off. As someone in this industry I am acutely aware of how way off base you are. Look at answers 4 - 10, the rest of it backs this up too. I just got a recent permit done in 5 months - plan, submit, approval (submit->approval was 3). ADUs in CA are mandated at 60 days max for approval Also, outside of CA approvals in some jurisdictions are weeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Homebuilding/comments/sk3bd2/how_long_of_a_wait_is_it_for_permits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Homebuilding/comments/sk3bd2/how_lo...