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Never heard of that and that's not legal.

by lawn 3y ago

carlosjobim 3y ago
It's perfectly legal, and you can find information about it on the websites of the unions.
- lawn 3y ago
  You'll have to link to how they mention its fine for the employer to force sign you without your consent, and to sign you up for expensive insurance again without your consent.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    You could just have found the information yourself, it's not difficult Anyway, here's the link: https://www.sjofolk.se/nyheter/2022/medlem-automatiskt/ https://www.sjofolk.se/nyheter/2022/medlem-automatiskt/ Now you have the truth right in front of you. Use a translator if you don't understand it. I'd like for you to apologize for slandering me here in the comments and repeatedly calling me a liar. Will you do that, or will you just down vote and move on, like a hacker?
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      No, you should apologize because you clearly didn't read the article. It's just the difference between opt-in and opt-out and you can simply opt-out and anybody that is subject to these arrangements is aware of them. But then you also don't benefit from the union in times of strikes and such. With the very high fraction of employers that sign up for these programs it's pretty common to automatically enroll them in the union for that segment and usually - but probably not always - the HR department will ask you when they onboard you if you want to join the union or not.
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        Opt-in and opt-out? Somebody unilaterally "opts" you into a union, a home insurance contract and in the past "opted" you into being a paying member of a political party. That is extraordinary. Edit: Apologies for confusing you with the other poster.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        You are doing your level best to make it seem like something is malicious when it clearly isn't. That's on you, not on the OP.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        Come on, that playbook is ancient by now. Deny facts and call people liars, then when irrefutable evidence is shown say "Oh, but it's a good thing!". I just stated the truth, and if you think it's fine or even great that this happens, then sure. But why deny that it happens then? Why is that still in the playbook? If people think it's great, then say so. We're in the information age, anybody can look up stuff easily.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        I don't know why you keep digging, but it is getting a bit tedious. You've had multiple people correct you, you persist in your rabid anti-union posts and purposefully mis-interpret the available evidence. I'm not sure why you do this but I guess you're welcome to it.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        How about this: I apologize for confusing you with the other poster. And I ask you to apologize for calling me rabid. Nobody has corrected me, it is a fact that some large employers in Sweden will sign you up to a union without your consent. I should know, because it happened to me. Decades ago the company I was working for was sold to Sweden. One day I received a bill for a home insurance from a Swedish insurance company. I didn't own a home. Called the insurance company to ask what it was about. They apologized and said a Swedish union had signed me up with them. Called that union and they said yes now you're a member. Told them I didn't want to be a member. They told me I can't exit the union, my new employer had signed me up as a member, talk to them. I called HR and said that I'm not going to be a member of any union. They told me that it wasn't optional and I had to be a union member. I told them I'll get my lawyer if that's the case, and they relented and asked me to hand in a signed statement that I didn't wish to be a union member. And that was the end of it. Then hackers here say that these things don't happen, even though the union clearly states on their webpage that this is standard procedure. And if it did happen, then it's a good thing. It is a bit funny, and dumb at the same time. How would you feel if your company was sold to Utah. Then without you knowing, your new boss signs you up as a paying member of the Mormon church, and then the Mormon church signs you up for home insurance? It's kind of the same thing. The union - or the church - might be wonderful, but I'm not going to allow anybody to sign any contract in my name without my permission. That's fucked up.
    - lawn 3y ago
      Nowhere does it says it's okay for them to sign you up without your knowledge or consent, which should happen when you begin your job. If that doesn't happens then they've made an error. Your link also states that membership is entirely optional, and you can choose another union or none. Finally, signing you up for expensive insurance absolutely requires your consent, as doing that is otherwise illegal. Your link also don't say anything about this, so no I don't have "this truth" in front of me.

Never heard of that and that's not legal.

by lawn 3y ago

Never heard of that and that's not legal.

carlosjobim 3y ago

It's perfectly legal, and you can find information about it on the websites of the unions.

lawn 3y ago
You'll have to link to how they mention its fine for the employer to force sign you without your consent, and to sign you up for expensive insurance again without your consent.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  You could just have found the information yourself, it's not difficult Anyway, here's the link: https://www.sjofolk.se/nyheter/2022/medlem-automatiskt/ https://www.sjofolk.se/nyheter/2022/medlem-automatiskt/ Now you have the truth right in front of you. Use a translator if you don't understand it. I'd like for you to apologize for slandering me here in the comments and repeatedly calling me a liar. Will you do that, or will you just down vote and move on, like a hacker?
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    No, you should apologize because you clearly didn't read the article. It's just the difference between opt-in and opt-out and you can simply opt-out and anybody that is subject to these arrangements is aware of them. But then you also don't benefit from the union in times of strikes and such. With the very high fraction of employers that sign up for these programs it's pretty common to automatically enroll them in the union for that segment and usually - but probably not always - the HR department will ask you when they onboard you if you want to join the union or not.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      Opt-in and opt-out? Somebody unilaterally "opts" you into a union, a home insurance contract and in the past "opted" you into being a paying member of a political party. That is extraordinary. Edit: Apologies for confusing you with the other poster.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        You are doing your level best to make it seem like something is malicious when it clearly isn't. That's on you, not on the OP.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        Come on, that playbook is ancient by now. Deny facts and call people liars, then when irrefutable evidence is shown say "Oh, but it's a good thing!". I just stated the truth, and if you think it's fine or even great that this happens, then sure. But why deny that it happens then? Why is that still in the playbook? If people think it's great, then say so. We're in the information age, anybody can look up stuff easily.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        I don't know why you keep digging, but it is getting a bit tedious. You've had multiple people correct you, you persist in your rabid anti-union posts and purposefully mis-interpret the available evidence. I'm not sure why you do this but I guess you're welcome to it.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        How about this: I apologize for confusing you with the other poster. And I ask you to apologize for calling me rabid. Nobody has corrected me, it is a fact that some large employers in Sweden will sign you up to a union without your consent. I should know, because it happened to me. Decades ago the company I was working for was sold to Sweden. One day I received a bill for a home insurance from a Swedish insurance company. I didn't own a home. Called the insurance company to ask what it was about. They apologized and said a Swedish union had signed me up with them. Called that union and they said yes now you're a member. Told them I didn't want to be a member. They told me I can't exit the union, my new employer had signed me up as a member, talk to them. I called HR and said that I'm not going to be a member of any union. They told me that it wasn't optional and I had to be a union member. I told them I'll get my lawyer if that's the case, and they relented and asked me to hand in a signed statement that I didn't wish to be a union member. And that was the end of it. Then hackers here say that these things don't happen, even though the union clearly states on their webpage that this is standard procedure. And if it did happen, then it's a good thing. It is a bit funny, and dumb at the same time. How would you feel if your company was sold to Utah. Then without you knowing, your new boss signs you up as a paying member of the Mormon church, and then the Mormon church signs you up for home insurance? It's kind of the same thing. The union - or the church - might be wonderful, but I'm not going to allow anybody to sign any contract in my name without my permission. That's fucked up.
  - lawn 3y ago
    Nowhere does it says it's okay for them to sign you up without your knowledge or consent, which should happen when you begin your job. If that doesn't happens then they've made an error. Your link also states that membership is entirely optional, and you can choose another union or none. Finally, signing you up for expensive insurance absolutely requires your consent, as doing that is otherwise illegal. Your link also don't say anything about this, so no I don't have "this truth" in front of me.