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> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principl

> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles". Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

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eddtries 3y ago
> not compromising on principles Yes, I'm not talking about money here. Irrational means making bad decisions. The bad decision here is to continue playing with a bad hand against someone who isn't going to fold. Sweden is not going to fold so either Musk folds now to avoid more embarrassment & costs, or keeps going and folds in the future. It'd be more rational to just pull out of Sweden than fight a losing battle, as you said money isn't that much of a factor here.
anonyfox 3y ago
> "not compromising on principles" which almost always is immature behavior, whereas adults think solution-oriented, which sometimes is called "Realpolitik" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik). Doesn't get better in this particular case where musk is opposing to officially agree to common worker protection rules, wages, ... he already follows. Just another case of "dumb behavior".
- peterfirefly 3y ago
  Most things are iterated games so "not compromising on principles" can be a really good strategy if you can afford it.
  - peterfirefly 3y ago
    I should add that that is true both for Tesla (and Elon personally) and for the Swedish unions (and the other Nordic unions).
lawn 3y ago
> not compromising on principles Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  It worked well for his own free speech.
- oska 3y ago
  Which journalists has he banned from Twitter/X ?
  - lawn 3y ago
    Just look up the events surrounding ElonJet.
    - oska 3y ago
      Doesn't answer my question. I would actually like to know if there have been any. I'm quite open to criticising things that he has actually done, and have made criticisms of him plenty of times. But I'm not aware of any journalists that he's kicked off twitter/X. The closest to such a scenario that I'm aware of is him (so far) not allowing Alex Jones back on, but he didn't actually kick him off.
      - lawn 3y ago
        It's not that hard to Google. https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-starts-banning-critical-journalists-from-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... > Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.
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TheCoelacanth 3y ago
The principle that he should be able the run the company as a dictatorship and not have to negotiate with anyone.

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eddtries 3y ago

> not compromising on principles Yes, I'm not talking about money here. Irrational means making bad decisions. The bad decision here is to continue playing with a bad hand against someone who isn't going to fold. Sweden is not going to fold so either Musk folds now to avoid more embarrassment & costs, or keeps going and folds in the future. It'd be more rational to just pull out of Sweden than fight a losing battle, as you said money isn't that much of a factor here.

anonyfox 3y ago

> "not compromising on principles" which almost always is immature behavior, whereas adults think solution-oriented, which sometimes is called "Realpolitik" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik). Doesn't get better in this particular case where musk is opposing to officially agree to common worker protection rules, wages, ... he already follows. Just another case of "dumb behavior".

peterfirefly 3y ago
Most things are iterated games so "not compromising on principles" can be a really good strategy if you can afford it.
- peterfirefly 3y ago
  I should add that that is true both for Tesla (and Elon personally) and for the Swedish unions (and the other Nordic unions).

lawn 3y ago

> not compromising on principles Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.

actionfromafar 3y ago
It worked well for his own free speech.
oska 3y ago
Which journalists has he banned from Twitter/X ?
- lawn 3y ago
  Just look up the events surrounding ElonJet.
  - oska 3y ago
    Doesn't answer my question. I would actually like to know if there have been any. I'm quite open to criticising things that he has actually done, and have made criticisms of him plenty of times. But I'm not aware of any journalists that he's kicked off twitter/X. The closest to such a scenario that I'm aware of is him (so far) not allowing Alex Jones back on, but he didn't actually kick him off.
    - lawn 3y ago
      It's not that hard to Google. https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-starts-banning-critical-journalists-from-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... > Twitter has suspended the accounts of several prominent reporters who cover Elon Musk, including Ryan Mac of The New York Times, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan, The Washington Post’s Drew Harwell, The Intercept’s Micah Lee, and Mashable’s Matt Binder, Aaron Rupar, and Tony Webster.
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TheCoelacanth 3y ago

The principle that he should be able the run the company as a dictatorship and not have to negotiate with anyone.