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>Whether something is harmful or not is simply your opinion. If that something is a fact, then there's probably a law against it, so there's no need to prevent

>Whether something is harmful or not is simply your opinion. If that something is a fact, then there's probably a law against it, so there's no need to prevent other developers from developing it. Cigarettes are harmful and are legal. It is not an easy as you think, I worked at a small company in a emote team, there was proposed that we all need to install spying software on our computers so we can be better monitored. Everyone in the team refused and the bad stuff did not happen, we were not replaced with a new team. But if it was only one guy he could be replace but good luck replacing 80% of your developers like they are are some pre-made lego bricks you can swap out. You might be right, maybe developers should instead work on proposing legislation for banning harmful stuff and keep unions focused on work conditions.

lelanthran 3y ago
> Cigarettes are harmful and are legal. > I worked at a small company in a emote team, there was proposed that we all need to install spying software on our computers so we can be better monitored. Everyone in the team refused and the bad stuff did not happen, we were not replaced with a new team. Isn't that different to what you asked for? The harmful stuff in this story was harmful to the workers. Unions protect workers. You're asking that employees must form a union to protect consumers. Have you ever seen that happen? Unions are not primarily consumer-protection groups. Once again, I reiterate that you are going to have trouble getting a union (or a bunch of them) all agreeing that their workers would strike if any worker is ever employed producing cigarettes (the example you gave). The reason this is not going to happen, is because you aren't going to get enough developers to agree with your opinion on what is harmful and what is not. > You might be right, maybe developers should instead work on proposing legislation for banning harmful stuff and keep unions focused on work conditions. Give me just one single example that you think should be enshrined in law and currently isn't, and I'll show you how unworkable your proposal is. Just one.

lelanthran 3y ago

> Cigarettes are harmful and are legal. > I worked at a small company in a emote team, there was proposed that we all need to install spying software on our computers so we can be better monitored. Everyone in the team refused and the bad stuff did not happen, we were not replaced with a new team. Isn't that different to what you asked for? The harmful stuff in this story was harmful to the workers. Unions protect workers. You're asking that employees must form a union to protect consumers. Have you ever seen that happen? Unions are not primarily consumer-protection groups. Once again, I reiterate that you are going to have trouble getting a union (or a bunch of them) all agreeing that their workers would strike if any worker is ever employed producing cigarettes (the example you gave). The reason this is not going to happen, is because you aren't going to get enough developers to agree with your opinion on what is harmful and what is not. > You might be right, maybe developers should instead work on proposing legislation for banning harmful stuff and keep unions focused on work conditions. Give me just one single example that you think should be enshrined in law and currently isn't, and I'll show you how unworkable your proposal is. Just one.