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And then you can strike by selectively refusing to deliver mail for _one_ entity? I mean, call it whatever you want, but it is a selective strike and a governm
by elteto 3y ago
And then you can strike by selectively refusing to deliver mail for _one_ entity?
I mean, call it whatever you want, but it is a selective strike and a government agency shouldn’t have the right to do that. You either don’t deliver _any_ mail, or you deliver it all.
Btw I can totally empathize with the reason of the autoworkers strike, yet not agree with this.
- actionfromafar 3y agoI honestly don't see what so bad about the union action here. Would honestly love to understand what you don't like about this.
- robertlagrant 3y agoThey've laid it out pretty well. A strike is downing tools and not showing up to work. Not doing your work, but neglecting certain customers.
- thecopy 3y ago…according to you:) This is a so called sympathy strike: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action
- robertlagrant 3y agoThe only example of this exact thing in there is...the exact thing against Tesla we're talking about. Everything else is striking against a related company to one's employer's company.
- thecopy 3y agoWell, its wikipedia. Im not sure what you are arguing against. Sympathy strikes are guaranteed by the Swedish constitution.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> Well, its wikipedia What does that mean?
- actionfromafar 3y agoWikipedia still has some ways to go when it comes to the history of various smaller countries, I guess. And in even in English it has some gaps.
- robertlagrant 3y agoYes, but they're the ones citing it. I don't understand their response in light of that.
- actionfromafar 3y agoNow you made me read the link. :-D It defines the concept pretty well, which is somewhat valuable, but has few citations, which is unfortunate.
- robertlagrant 3y agoThe only clear citation of this definition of "sympathy strikes" is... the current Tesla issue :)
- actionfromafar 3y agoYes.
- elteto 3y agoYou don’t see anything wrong with public workers selectively punishing _one_ entity of their arbitrary choosing? Unchecked power is bad. Doesn’t matter if it’s a government, a company or a union.
- Apocryphon 3y agoFrom your previous comment, you’re stating you are okay if the union declined to deliver everyone’s mail, which sounds like you’re fine with unchecked power that expresses itself without discrimination.
- elteto 3y agoCorrect. I’m not contesting the power to strike, I’m contesting the power to selectively target entities in such strikes. I don’t know if you thought there was a contradiction there, but I don’t see it.
- Apocryphon 3y agoIt doesn’t make sense to consider indiscriminate withholding of services through a strike not “unchecked power,” while selecting specific targets (which is far less disruptive to the market as a whole) as such. It’s also not an arbitrary choice. It’s a business that’s clearly in dispute with another union, that this union has decided to intervene on behalf of. It’s not like they’re striking against a company that was just minding its own business. Perhaps there can be labor relations boards and anti-discrimination regulation and such to prevent abuse of selective striking, but this is obviously a situation where everyone is a player and knows what game they’re playing.
- actionfromafar 3y agoThere’s nothing arbitrary about it. A worker can’t just declare a strike, that’s illegal. The company the postal company works for, also agreed to these terms.
- martin8412 3y agoThey're not public workers anymore after the liberalisation in the early 2000s. They didn't have the right to strike before that. Because it's a private company, they can strike. Who owns the shares is irrelevant in that context.
- londons_explore 3y agoA key element of a strike is that you don't get paid. However, it appears the striking mail workers are being paid, even though they are not delivering mail to Tesla. That in turn gives them a lot of power, because they can keep this strike going for as long as they like with no cost to themselves.