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> plays ball Which is the case for 99% of companies. It’s only American ones internationally expanding who don’t realise other economies operate differently th

> plays ball Which is the case for 99% of companies. It’s only American ones internationally expanding who don’t realise other economies operate differently that get stung with this.

wil421 3y ago
Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? It’s an Elon issue, he hates unions and does it very publicly. For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members.
- eddtries 3y ago
  Because the previous examples of companies trying to avoid collective agreements have been American (notably Toys'R'Us and McDonalds)
  - masklinn 3y ago
    Didn't Amazon and Walmart also try it out in Germany?
- masklinn 3y ago
  > Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? Because it largely is. > For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members. These were handled very differently. For the most part those were independent subsidiaries, under the same brand but playing with their own set of rules. They commonly had different lineups entirely, for instance the Ford Focus was created in cooperation by the british (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain) and German (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Germany) teams of Ford of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Europe), and while the Focus was designed as an international car, it is the direct descendent of Ford of Europe's first passenger car the Escort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(Europe) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(Europe)), which itself directly descends from Ford of Britain's Anglia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Anglia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Anglia).
  - turquoisevar 3y ago
    Not sure what the difference in products has to do with how the company is governed. Ford of Europe is a direct subsidiary of Ford Motor Company, and they both have the same CEO and Executive Chairman. It’s hardly a shock to most in Europe that many American corporations (whether by virtue of a subsidiary or not) attempt to bring their American sensibilities to the European labor market.

> plays ball Which is the case for 99% of companies. It’s only American ones internationally expanding who don’t realise other economies operate differently that get stung with this.

wil421 3y ago

Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? It’s an Elon issue, he hates unions and does it very publicly. For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members.

eddtries 3y ago
Because the previous examples of companies trying to avoid collective agreements have been American (notably Toys'R'Us and McDonalds)
- masklinn 3y ago
  Didn't Amazon and Walmart also try it out in Germany?
masklinn 3y ago
> Why does everyone complain like it is an American issue? Because it largely is. > For decades, Ford and others have factories in Europe and have union members. These were handled very differently. For the most part those were independent subsidiaries, under the same brand but playing with their own set of rules. They commonly had different lineups entirely, for instance the Ford Focus was created in cooperation by the british (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain) and German (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Germany) teams of Ford of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Europe), and while the Focus was designed as an international car, it is the direct descendent of Ford of Europe's first passenger car the Escort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(Europe) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(Europe)), which itself directly descends from Ford of Britain's Anglia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Anglia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Anglia).
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  Not sure what the difference in products has to do with how the company is governed. Ford of Europe is a direct subsidiary of Ford Motor Company, and they both have the same CEO and Executive Chairman. It’s hardly a shock to most in Europe that many American corporations (whether by virtue of a subsidiary or not) attempt to bring their American sensibilities to the European labor market.