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I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit
by yreg 3y ago
I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views.
What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?
- actionfromafar 3y agoThey can't decide based on personal views. That is illegal. It's only legal during a strike.
- tshaddox 3y agoIt’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?
- dragonwriter 3y agoProhibited is easy. Just pass a law making it illegal for workers in that agency to strike, or to advocate, promote, discuss, etc., potential strikes (that may conflict with existing law, be politically difficult, etc., but the mechanism is clear.) Prevented, though, is harder. Prohibitions aren't always effective prevention.
- VoxPelli 3y agoThere are no agency workers who are participating in any strikes? Unlike the US we have a privatized postal service and the old postal service is now merged with the danish postal service and co-owned between the Swedish and Danish states and competing on an open market with other postal services. Not everyone has state postal services like in the US
- robertlagrant 3y agoAre they on strike? I thought they were just refusing to provide services to single customer.
- Hikikomori 3y agoThat would be a sympathy strike.
- beirut_bootleg 3y agoBy living and working in the U.S.. Most commenters here are wrongly assuming workers in Sweden have as little rights as they do, and probably just as exploited as well.
- yreg 3y agoWell, you are the one wrongly assuming. I am from Slovakia, and we have strong labour laws and strikes all the time. The thing is that government services must be provided to everyone or (if enough people are on strike) not at all.
- beirut_bootleg 3y agoI'm not sure when Slovakia entered the chat, but I was responding to the parent's question of how could the workers (in Sweden) be prohibited from deciding whether to strike, and was trying to make a point that US commenters go by US laws which do not apply here.
- yreg 3y agoYou were replying to a user who asked me a question and you were explaining my views to them…
- VoxPelli 3y agoThe Swedish model makes it so that we rarely have large strikes, despite having strong unions, as typically companies work together with the unions rather than against the unions. In a way the Swedish model has found an equilibrium between company powers and workers right that has been very productive. Until an ignorant American enters the market and think he knows better than everyone else
- AlgorithmicTime 3y agoA strike is between a company and its workers, or maybe an industry and its workers. Postal employees, the fire department, transit employees, they don't work for Tesla.
- VoxPelli 3y ago_Sympathy strikes_ only make sense when directed towards the target of the original strike. If all sympathy strikes were to be total walkouts then it would result in a general strike and that doesn’t target any specific party and thus doesn’t put pressure on them
- AlgorithmicTime 3y ago[dead]
- yreg 3y agoI would expect them to stop working at all instead of de facto stealing parcels belonging to a single customer.
- eddtries 3y agoI think the next one will be payment processing not being completed for Tesla. Mass transit drivers could do that. Court & Firemen must guarantee a minimum level of service on their strikes, so that’s unlikely.
- toxik 3y agoI don’t know what I think, it’s not a normal situation in my country. Businesses sign the union agreement, because it is a collaborative process between the union and the employer. The whole system is predicated on good faith. Tesla is openly being adversarial and the union has now after years said enough, and declared a legal strike. Strikes are usually resolved long before this stage. Unions in Denmark and Norway don’t often go on sympathy strikes for Swedish unions. In my opinion, screw the Musk boy. There are other EV manufacturers.
- xorcist 3y agoFiremen and police are unlikely to strike, but expect to see them to start losing bank service, office services, and trash services next. Then, expect neighboring countries to start doing the same. Sweden has few strikes. In fact, hardly any. Worker's rights are generally by contract rather than by law. When the unions move in unison like this, they come prepared and expect to win. It is an existential issue for them, in a literal sense. Should they lose, laws will be rewritten and trade agreements will have to be renegotiated.