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They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework
by Hikikomori 3y ago
They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike.
And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.
- gottorf 3y ago> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.
- actionfromafar 3y agoThe government isn't meddling in the daily operation of Postnord. They can, via the board, replace the CEO. A blunt tool. The privileged function that is serving mail is clearly defined by law, but the right to strike is also clearly defined in law.
- bayindirh 3y agoDoesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.
- robertlagrant 3y agoUnionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. That's what Tesla's employees are doing. The point of a sympathetic strike is so that a small country's workforce can stand up to the likes of Tesla. Tesla can always withdraw from the Nordic market if they don't like the rules (which never changed). They don't want to do that because there is something there worth negotiating for.
- robertlagrant 3y agoBut it's not a sympathetic strike. They're refusing to deliver Tesla's mail. They aren't striking against their employer.
- 93po 3y agoTheir refusal to deliver mail can be viewed as a partial strike I guess
- bayindirh 3y agoThey are increasing the pressure on a company which is not treating their workers well and fairly. These workers are friends, wives, husbands, relatives… It’s more than justified.
- robertlagrant 3y agoYou're missing the point. I'm not debating the validity of whether people should leave Tesla and go work somewhere else. I'm saying that it's not a strike if you're just refusing service to a customer. A strike - whether because of your circumstances or another's - is you downing tools and stopping working.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> it's not a strike if you're just refusing service to a customer...a strike...is you downing tools and stopping working This hasn't been what a strike has meant in Scandinavia for a century. I'm American. I broadly think unions are ineffective and corrupt. But it's ridiculous to claim this strike is unprecedented. Even the pattern of an American company being flummoxed by it is deeply precedented. If you want to do business in the Nordic countries, you respect the collective-bargaining process. That doesn't capitulation. It doesn't even mean you must enter into one. But you can't blow it off, and at that so dismissively.
- riversflow 3y agoWe should unioninze the military.
- Symbiote 3y agoSee https://euromil.org/our-members/ https://euromil.org/our-members/ for the European military unions.
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- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y agoWe had the same conversation the last time it was posted. It’s exhausting. Sweden is not the USA.
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- kryptiskt 3y agoPostnord is a bit of a red herring. If the tender to distribute the registration plates had gone to UPS instead, Tesla would have had exactly the same problem with UPS workers.
- l33tman 3y agoDon't know why this was downvoted.. This is not Postnord's decision, it's the workers, and the same workers at UPS or any other postal delivery service could do the same.
- lucaspm98 3y agoIn theory that would not absolve the government from providing core services. For example, teachers can go on strike but children are guaranteed a primary education. It'd be the government's responsibility, not the individual citizen or business, to ensure core services enshrined in law are properly staffed.
- martin8412 3y agoYea.. And a car is a privilege, so not even remotely comparable.
- l33tman 3y agoAgree, I don't know what Transportstyrelsen has to say about the interruption in their service this provides. My guess is that they do have the contract with PostNord and are just pretty hesitant to break that and rather wait and see if the problem goes away. The government wouldn't get involved just for a few weeks of postal problems for newly registered very expensive cars, it's not like a crucial service to the people.
- numpad0 3y agoYeah so basically they're complaining they've got a court approved government sanction. They're technically free to whine like North Korea does, as they see fit, I guess.
- messe 3y agoFully owned by the state, not the government.
- pb7 3y agoThese terms usually mean the same thing. Do you want to explain the difference you're trying to highlight?
- messe 3y agoOn this side of the atlantic at least, the government tends to just mean the prime minister / head of government and their cabinet (and to an extent the associated political parties in charge).
- pb7 3y agoOk so what is a general term for your courts, your legislature, your bodies responsible for defense and foreign policy, your securities and banking, your monetary policy, etc? It's all government.
- messe 3y agoThe state? Government just isn't used as a term for that here, except as an encroaching americanism.
- callalex 3y agoIn amareicanese the government is called the administration.
- lucaspm98 3y agoThat's simply another pedantic distinction to justify state-owned and state-mandated organizations not providing core government services.
- ExoticPearTree 3y ago> And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees. I don't think you understand how a private company works. You can't say it is a private company owned by the state - if that is the case, it is a public government agency, no matter how you want it not to be. So in short, a government agency chooses if it wants to work or not...
- morelisp 3y agoSOEs are extremely common even in the US.
- xorcist 3y agoWhy would you say that? It's clearly not a government agency. It is a company. It's not something one can have an opinion on. It is a fact, and an important one for the people working there. Being a government worker comes with certain rights and responsibilities, neither of which is the case here. But even if it had been a government agency, government workers have the fundamental human right to strike too. There are a few exceptions, and then there are special laws for times of war, but none that are applicable now.