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> Maybe they're doing it because it's the right thing to do, and because they'd like people to trust them. I worked for FB briefly. It was enough to convince m

> Maybe they're doing it because it's the right thing to do, and because they'd like people to trust them. I worked for FB briefly. It was enough to convince me that the "it's the right thing to do" is definitely not relevant to this question.

raccoonDivider 3y ago
The few guys in charge of security engineering don't have to share the values of the whole company.
- x0x0 3y ago
  Nonsense -- they do as long as Mark, and his chosen exec team, control whether they work there or not. Anything else is a pretty lie people tell themselves because they like the paycheck.
- stevage 3y ago
  That's kind of what I thought before I saw inside. What actually happens is the reverse. 99% of engineers can have amazing values that you share, but they do not ultimately make the decisions. The board, Zuck, and the $ do.
mario970v 3y ago
Seconded
kaliqt 3y ago
Yeah I wasn't under the impression that respect the rights of customers was in their top 10 priorities.
- eulgro 3y ago
  Customers are the ones paying for ads. Users are just a resource.
browningstreet 3y ago
There were two parts to what you responded to. In terms of brand risk into the future, the second part could reasonably stand, no?
gloryjulio 3y ago
They sell ads. E2E encryption doesn't hurt that and it also appeals to the trust. So why not?
- ses1984 3y ago
  It does hurt because you can’t deliver targeted ads based on message content.
  - gloryjulio 3y ago
    I don't think they need the exact content to sell ads. 1. sell ads base on the message itself, get crushed in the media; 2. encrypt message but sell ads based on profile and meta data, get good publicity. I think they are doing option 2 Messaging is just part of the platform. My guess is that they want to forgo this part and concentrate on others
  - pkulak 3y ago
    All you do is have the end devices build the ad profiles and send them back to FB every once in a while.

raccoonDivider 3y ago

The few guys in charge of security engineering don't have to share the values of the whole company.

x0x0 3y ago
Nonsense -- they do as long as Mark, and his chosen exec team, control whether they work there or not. Anything else is a pretty lie people tell themselves because they like the paycheck.
stevage 3y ago
That's kind of what I thought before I saw inside. What actually happens is the reverse. 99% of engineers can have amazing values that you share, but they do not ultimately make the decisions. The board, Zuck, and the $ do.

mario970v 3y ago

Seconded

kaliqt 3y ago

Yeah I wasn't under the impression that respect the rights of customers was in their top 10 priorities.

eulgro 3y ago
Customers are the ones paying for ads. Users are just a resource.

browningstreet 3y ago

There were two parts to what you responded to. In terms of brand risk into the future, the second part could reasonably stand, no?

gloryjulio 3y ago

They sell ads. E2E encryption doesn't hurt that and it also appeals to the trust. So why not?

ses1984 3y ago
It does hurt because you can’t deliver targeted ads based on message content.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  I don't think they need the exact content to sell ads. 1. sell ads base on the message itself, get crushed in the media; 2. encrypt message but sell ads based on profile and meta data, get good publicity. I think they are doing option 2 Messaging is just part of the platform. My guess is that they want to forgo this part and concentrate on others
- pkulak 3y ago
  All you do is have the end devices build the ad profiles and send them back to FB every once in a while.