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What are the most serious secure messengers?

contact9879 3y ago
Signal
snoutie 3y ago
I personally like the approach Threema has. They provide their own push serice called Threema Push[1] which is opt-in for google play store version. The push notifications for Threema do not contain any sensitve information either way.[2] They also have a libre version on F-Droid. [1]https://threema.ch/en/faq/threema_push https://threema.ch/en/faq/threema_push [2]https://threema.ch/en/faq/privacy_push https://threema.ch/en/faq/privacy_push
- orangepurple 3y ago
  Threema may very well be the Crypto AG of our times
  - keep_reading 3y ago
    Why would you say that? It's open source and has reproducible builds
    - orangepurple 3y ago
      Play Store version could be anything
      - snoutie 3y ago
        i fail to see how the play store version could be "anything" considering you can reproduce the builds. can you enlighten me how something like this would be possible?
        orangepurple 3y ago
        You can reproduce the builds yourself but you have no control over what happens to the app APK once it is uploaded to Google then distributed via the Play Store. I suppose you could checksum the APK before and after and make sure your app is exactly the same before and after sending it to Google to distribute via the Play Store. Google doesn't have much motivation TODAY to mess with APKs directly since they have Google Play Services which is essentially a rootkit running on your phone all the time and it is easily accessible by the NSA through Google's infrastructure, probably by a secret FISA warrant with a gag order. Maybe they don't need a warrant. Think we would ever find out?
        snoutie 3y ago
        I think I am still missing what you are referring to. The guide on Threema's site promts you to extract the APK from your phone via adb which you then `diff -r` with the locally compiled version. [1] As far as I am aware it does not matter whether Google or Threema modified the APK before uploading it to the Play Store since you would notice either way. [1]https://threema.ch/en/open-source/reproducible-builds https://threema.ch/en/open-source/reproducible-builds
        orangepurple 3y ago
        That works as long as you always check after each update.
        snoutie 3y ago
        I agree with you. That's the case with every software project.
- martinsnow 3y ago
  Their web client is based on angular.js - i wouldn't dare trust it with private information.
  - snoutie 3y ago
    I'm not a huge expert on web frameworks. Can you clarify your concerns?

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I personally like the approach Threema has. They provide their own push serice called Threema Push[1] which is opt-in for google play store version. The push notifications for Threema do not contain any sensitve information either way.[2] They also have a libre version on F-Droid. [1]https://threema.ch/en/faq/threema_push https://threema.ch/en/faq/threema_push [2]https://threema.ch/en/faq/privacy_push https://threema.ch/en/faq/privacy_push

orangepurple 3y ago
Threema may very well be the Crypto AG of our times
- keep_reading 3y ago
  Why would you say that? It's open source and has reproducible builds
  - orangepurple 3y ago
    Play Store version could be anything
    - snoutie 3y ago
      i fail to see how the play store version could be "anything" considering you can reproduce the builds. can you enlighten me how something like this would be possible?
      - orangepurple 3y ago
        You can reproduce the builds yourself but you have no control over what happens to the app APK once it is uploaded to Google then distributed via the Play Store. I suppose you could checksum the APK before and after and make sure your app is exactly the same before and after sending it to Google to distribute via the Play Store. Google doesn't have much motivation TODAY to mess with APKs directly since they have Google Play Services which is essentially a rootkit running on your phone all the time and it is easily accessible by the NSA through Google's infrastructure, probably by a secret FISA warrant with a gag order. Maybe they don't need a warrant. Think we would ever find out?
        snoutie 3y ago
        I think I am still missing what you are referring to. The guide on Threema's site promts you to extract the APK from your phone via adb which you then `diff -r` with the locally compiled version. [1] As far as I am aware it does not matter whether Google or Threema modified the APK before uploading it to the Play Store since you would notice either way. [1]https://threema.ch/en/open-source/reproducible-builds https://threema.ch/en/open-source/reproducible-builds
        orangepurple 3y ago
        That works as long as you always check after each update.
        snoutie 3y ago
        I agree with you. That's the case with every software project.
martinsnow 3y ago
Their web client is based on angular.js - i wouldn't dare trust it with private information.
- snoutie 3y ago
  I'm not a huge expert on web frameworks. Can you clarify your concerns?