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The easy answer should be TOS that are not non lawyer readable or not under N paragraphs are not binding. When you buy a house you don’t give 1 signature. You l

The easy answer should be TOS that are not non lawyer readable or not under N paragraphs are not binding. When you buy a house you don’t give 1 signature. You literally sign every friggen page including multiple places on the same page, TOS shouldn’t be different

refactor_master 3y ago
We all know how cookie consents turned out though.
- account42 3y ago
  It keeps exposing how little most businesses care about their users? Seems useful.
Buttons840 3y ago
Require companies to make a reasonable effort to ensure users have read the license. Want to order some food from some new delivery website? Hold on, I just have to sit on this screen for 30 minutes pretending to read the EULA -- oh nevermind, I'll just go pick it up.
- closewith 3y ago
  > Want to order some food from some new delivery website? Hold on, I just have to sit on this screen for 30 minutes pretending to read the EULA -- oh nevermind, I'll just go pick it up. Well, that would be ideal, because in order to actually get users, the company would have to have very simple and reasonable terms. After all, that's the case for the cast majority of in-person businesses.
kelnos 3y ago
To be fair, I expect many people don't actually read every page of the stuff you have to sign when you buy a house, either.
- carstenhag 3y ago
  Ironically in Germany there's a notary that reads out every single word of the several pages of such a contract :D
spacebanana7 3y ago
Most consumers actively don't want to read ToS. Youtube has a relatively short UK ToS [1] that doesn't require a lawyer to understand. This is impressive given the variety of copyright, monetisation, and content moderation rules it touches. Yet almost nobody reads it, despite it being promoted on visitation to one of the world's most popular sites. [1] https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=GB&template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=GB&template=terms

refactor_master 3y ago

We all know how cookie consents turned out though.

account42 3y ago
It keeps exposing how little most businesses care about their users? Seems useful.

Buttons840 3y ago

Require companies to make a reasonable effort to ensure users have read the license. Want to order some food from some new delivery website? Hold on, I just have to sit on this screen for 30 minutes pretending to read the EULA -- oh nevermind, I'll just go pick it up.

closewith 3y ago
> Want to order some food from some new delivery website? Hold on, I just have to sit on this screen for 30 minutes pretending to read the EULA -- oh nevermind, I'll just go pick it up. Well, that would be ideal, because in order to actually get users, the company would have to have very simple and reasonable terms. After all, that's the case for the cast majority of in-person businesses.

kelnos 3y ago

To be fair, I expect many people don't actually read every page of the stuff you have to sign when you buy a house, either.

carstenhag 3y ago
Ironically in Germany there's a notary that reads out every single word of the several pages of such a contract :D

spacebanana7 3y ago

Most consumers actively don't want to read ToS. Youtube has a relatively short UK ToS [1] that doesn't require a lawyer to understand. This is impressive given the variety of copyright, monetisation, and content moderation rules it touches. Yet almost nobody reads it, despite it being promoted on visitation to one of the world's most popular sites. [1] https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=GB&template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?gl=GB&template=terms