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Thats a false dichotomy, a false equivalence- it's just a lot of false stuff

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
what is false?
mardifoufs 3y ago
How are the two not equivalent? If anything, for anyone living in the west it's probably less of an issue to have China spy on them than a western government. Sure, at a state security level it's not but for regular individuals I sure would rather have China spy on me since they can't do anything to me directly.
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- lannisterstark 3y ago
  You have at least some civil rights in those countries, you don't in China. Be careful of a layover.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    I mean, sure yeah don't go to China. That's a pretty solid advice. But again, that's irrelevant for the average western user. Even with civil rights, the potential to get hurt by a western government while living in the west is orders of magnitude more probable than getting anything from the CCP or China. But yeah don't do layovers in China if you are a dissident, though I don't think that's an especially common scenario
  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    civil rights.... haha i live under a literal tyrant right now in india. does it really matter if i have "Civil rights" and china and usa and india is snooping on me? https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/12/02/kollam-child-abduction-tom-and-jerry-cartoon-helped-police-identify-suspects.html https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/12/02/kollam-chi... here. this is literally fresh off the oven. 26000 people's internet history was looked with a fine tooth comb in order to find that one IP which had viewed tom and jerry on youtube. youtube wouldnt give information but ISPs are by law or otherwise willing to "help" the police because its a "my way or highway" rule with the government. so my point is, did i consent to this snooping? i am "supposed" to have laws but "think of the children". next time it is political opponents or dissidents as has been the case. this isn't just in india or china or usa but everywhere.
    - trallnag 3y ago
      The person was talking about "the West" vs China. India is not part of "the West".
    - lannisterstark 3y ago
      >i live under a literal tyrant right now in india. >civil rights.... haha I wasn't even talking about you lmao.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    > You have at least some civil rights in those countries I'm sure the lads that spent decades in Guantanamo with no charges brought against them after being kidnapped based on their watch model will be very glad to hear they have civil rights.
  - helpfulContrib 3y ago
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what is false?

How are the two not equivalent? If anything, for anyone living in the west it's probably less of an issue to have China spy on them than a western government. Sure, at a state security level it's not but for regular individuals I sure would rather have China spy on me since they can't do anything to me directly.

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lannisterstark 3y ago
You have at least some civil rights in those countries, you don't in China. Be careful of a layover.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  I mean, sure yeah don't go to China. That's a pretty solid advice. But again, that's irrelevant for the average western user. Even with civil rights, the potential to get hurt by a western government while living in the west is orders of magnitude more probable than getting anything from the CCP or China. But yeah don't do layovers in China if you are a dissident, though I don't think that's an especially common scenario
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  civil rights.... haha i live under a literal tyrant right now in india. does it really matter if i have "Civil rights" and china and usa and india is snooping on me? https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/12/02/kollam-child-abduction-tom-and-jerry-cartoon-helped-police-identify-suspects.html https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2023/12/02/kollam-chi... here. this is literally fresh off the oven. 26000 people's internet history was looked with a fine tooth comb in order to find that one IP which had viewed tom and jerry on youtube. youtube wouldnt give information but ISPs are by law or otherwise willing to "help" the police because its a "my way or highway" rule with the government. so my point is, did i consent to this snooping? i am "supposed" to have laws but "think of the children". next time it is political opponents or dissidents as has been the case. this isn't just in india or china or usa but everywhere.
  - trallnag 3y ago
    The person was talking about "the West" vs China. India is not part of "the West".
  - lannisterstark 3y ago
    >i live under a literal tyrant right now in india. >civil rights.... haha I wasn't even talking about you lmao.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > You have at least some civil rights in those countries I'm sure the lads that spent decades in Guantanamo with no charges brought against them after being kidnapped based on their watch model will be very glad to hear they have civil rights.
- helpfulContrib 3y ago
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