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Most of us would probably agree. A premium is fine, expected even. But does the premium have to be so premium?

danparsonson 3y ago
You think they're trying to price themselves out of the market? The relentless consumer focus on price is part of the reason we have so much non-repairable rubbish these days.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  It was simple yes / no question. And somewhat rhetorical. Like it or not, price matters. Yes, there's added value. I'm simply asking a realistic case be made for the price of the added value. Put another way, I don't want to make a long term-ish investment in an ecosystem only to have that system disappear before I reap the benefits. That is, is Framework in touch with the market or not? For example, if Framework is upgradable *and* built to last, will one Framework machine equate to 2 - maybe even 3 - other brand machines? That closes the gap, yes? But if the brand can't communicate / sell that or similar benefits, the brand's mission will be over sooner rather than later.
  - organsnyder 3y ago
    In their three-year existence (during COVID, no less), they've shipped five different 13 inch laptop models: three Intel generations, a Chromebook edition of their latest Intel generation, and (most recently) an AMD variant. That's incredibly impressive by itself for such a new company, but on top of all that the parts from these systems are interchangeable and readily available at reasonable prices. Someone with a first-gen Intel Framework can upgrade to the latest AMD model for as little as $449.00, or around $500 for a bundle with RAM and the wifi module that you'll likely also need. If you're willing to stay a release behind (not possible with their AMD variant yet), you can remain almost current for much less money, at least judging by their pricing on their previous-gen Intel motherboards. I just ordered an AMD Framework 13 to replace my Thinkpad T480. My previous personal laptop was a Thinkpad T410, which lasted me for seven years. My T480 Thunderbolt controller died due to a firmware bug that I didn't update to fix in time. In addition to the loss of Thunderbolt, it's lead to some other issues (such as a ~30-second pause resuming from sleep) that make it annoying to use. Fixing it would require a motherboard replacement, which iFixit rates as "difficult". [1] https://frame.work/products/mainboard-kit-amd-ryzen-7040-series https://frame.work/products/mainboard-kit-amd-ryzen-7040-ser...

You think they're trying to price themselves out of the market? The relentless consumer focus on price is part of the reason we have so much non-repairable rubbish these days.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
It was simple yes / no question. And somewhat rhetorical. Like it or not, price matters. Yes, there's added value. I'm simply asking a realistic case be made for the price of the added value. Put another way, I don't want to make a long term-ish investment in an ecosystem only to have that system disappear before I reap the benefits. That is, is Framework in touch with the market or not? For example, if Framework is upgradable *and* built to last, will one Framework machine equate to 2 - maybe even 3 - other brand machines? That closes the gap, yes? But if the brand can't communicate / sell that or similar benefits, the brand's mission will be over sooner rather than later.
- organsnyder 3y ago
  In their three-year existence (during COVID, no less), they've shipped five different 13 inch laptop models: three Intel generations, a Chromebook edition of their latest Intel generation, and (most recently) an AMD variant. That's incredibly impressive by itself for such a new company, but on top of all that the parts from these systems are interchangeable and readily available at reasonable prices. Someone with a first-gen Intel Framework can upgrade to the latest AMD model for as little as $449.00, or around $500 for a bundle with RAM and the wifi module that you'll likely also need. If you're willing to stay a release behind (not possible with their AMD variant yet), you can remain almost current for much less money, at least judging by their pricing on their previous-gen Intel motherboards. I just ordered an AMD Framework 13 to replace my Thinkpad T480. My previous personal laptop was a Thinkpad T410, which lasted me for seven years. My T480 Thunderbolt controller died due to a firmware bug that I didn't update to fix in time. In addition to the loss of Thunderbolt, it's lead to some other issues (such as a ~30-second pause resuming from sleep) that make it annoying to use. Fixing it would require a motherboard replacement, which iFixit rates as "difficult". [1] https://frame.work/products/mainboard-kit-amd-ryzen-7040-series https://frame.work/products/mainboard-kit-amd-ryzen-7040-ser...