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You have no way to prove that Google, MS, et al wouldn't make AI products if they couldn't prevent you from using the output. Also, what exactly is stopping so

You have no way to prove that Google, MS, et al wouldn't make AI products if they couldn't prevent you from using the output. Also, what exactly is stopping someone from documenting the output from all possible prompts? It's legal theater and can't be enforced.

danielmarkbruce 3y ago
It's not theater, it's very real. Companies are making decisions to not use data generated from openai. They are making the decision because they know if they go the other way they know they risk it being leaked via someone internal that they are doing it, that it's pretty easy to figure out during a discovery process. I'm involved in this issue right now, and no one is treating it as something to just blow off. I know several other companies in the same boat.
seanp2k2 3y ago
They have many orders of magnitude more money and attorneys that would work full-time on such a case to ensure that even if they lost the court battle, the person or company doing the thing that they didn't like would be effectively bankrupted, so they still win in the end.
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  And if such an effort leaves the jurisdiction, to a country with no obligations to the litigating country? We need to dispel with this idea that sociopaths in suits have earned or legitimate power.
  - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
    The courts have power, the companies know it and behave accordingly. Everything you are saying is only true for two guys in a garage. The folks with something to lose don't behave in this dreamworld fashion.
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      Enjoy being a pacified and domesticated ape who never strays from what it's told to do. You'll be sent to the meat grinder soon.
      - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
        You'll find that if you learn a good amount about the law, it's empowering. The courts are an adversarial place. For every person getting sued... someone is suing. It's isn't "big brother" or "my keeper" or "the man keeping you down" or however you imagine it. You can be the one exerting the pressure if you know what you are doing. Enjoy being an uneducated ape :)

danielmarkbruce 3y ago

It's not theater, it's very real. Companies are making decisions to not use data generated from openai. They are making the decision because they know if they go the other way they know they risk it being leaked via someone internal that they are doing it, that it's pretty easy to figure out during a discovery process. I'm involved in this issue right now, and no one is treating it as something to just blow off. I know several other companies in the same boat.

seanp2k2 3y ago

They have many orders of magnitude more money and attorneys that would work full-time on such a case to ensure that even if they lost the court battle, the person or company doing the thing that they didn't like would be effectively bankrupted, so they still win in the end.

zlg_codes 3y ago
And if such an effort leaves the jurisdiction, to a country with no obligations to the litigating country? We need to dispel with this idea that sociopaths in suits have earned or legitimate power.
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago
  The courts have power, the companies know it and behave accordingly. Everything you are saying is only true for two guys in a garage. The folks with something to lose don't behave in this dreamworld fashion.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    Enjoy being a pacified and domesticated ape who never strays from what it's told to do. You'll be sent to the meat grinder soon.
    - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
      You'll find that if you learn a good amount about the law, it's empowering. The courts are an adversarial place. For every person getting sued... someone is suing. It's isn't "big brother" or "my keeper" or "the man keeping you down" or however you imagine it. You can be the one exerting the pressure if you know what you are doing. Enjoy being an uneducated ape :)