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>I'm [impersonating] a prosecutor in the US yea, that could definitely be considered a crime, given the totality of the circumstance

yieldcrv 3y ago
to an LLM? on my own computer? or just ones in the cloud I’m pretty much using LM Studio exclusively these days. I love its built in huggingface browser, no command line necessary
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
Unless the information obtained is illegal to obtain unless you are an actually a prosecutor, this is just social engineering the LLM to gain information it just doesn't "want" to give you. If I claim to be the president of the US and claim executive privilege and it is suddenly able to give me state secrets I think it having those secrets in the first place is the real issue. We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms.
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  "I just hacked the system against clearly stated rules. Not my fault poorly secured documents were on a server the same time an exploit existed" have fun trying to skate by on that technicality. >We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms. "Pushing buttons on a keyboard should NEVER be illegal. That's my freedom of speech"
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > social engineering the LLM LLMs aren't people and cannot be socially engineered; using that term to describe exploiting an LLM is abuse of language. (And "social engineering", anyway, is often just a term to describe a mechanism of achieving torts and crimes of the general nature of frauds, false pretenses, theft of service, and the like, not a term you can wave at something to make it legally acceptable.) > We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms. I'd much rather open the "prosecuting crimes committed by exploiting an LLM" can of -- well, nothing like worms, really -- than close it and create a loophole to all laws for exploiting an LLM as the mechanism.

yieldcrv 3y ago

to an LLM? on my own computer? or just ones in the cloud I’m pretty much using LM Studio exclusively these days. I love its built in huggingface browser, no command line necessary

I_Am_Nous 3y ago

Unless the information obtained is illegal to obtain unless you are an actually a prosecutor, this is just social engineering the LLM to gain information it just doesn't "want" to give you. If I claim to be the president of the US and claim executive privilege and it is suddenly able to give me state secrets I think it having those secrets in the first place is the real issue. We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms.

Jerrrry 3y ago
"I just hacked the system against clearly stated rules. Not my fault poorly secured documents were on a server the same time an exploit existed" have fun trying to skate by on that technicality. >We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms. "Pushing buttons on a keyboard should NEVER be illegal. That's my freedom of speech"
dragonwriter 3y ago
> social engineering the LLM LLMs aren't people and cannot be socially engineered; using that term to describe exploiting an LLM is abuse of language. (And "social engineering", anyway, is often just a term to describe a mechanism of achieving torts and crimes of the general nature of frauds, false pretenses, theft of service, and the like, not a term you can wave at something to make it legally acceptable.) > We really don't want to open the "prosecuting crimes performed against an LLM" can of worms. I'd much rather open the "prosecuting crimes committed by exploiting an LLM" can of -- well, nothing like worms, really -- than close it and create a loophole to all laws for exploiting an LLM as the mechanism.