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Just like many others are saying here, and i hope JetBrains hears and sees the feedback- this should 100% be included in the all products pack. We are already

Just like many others are saying here, and i hope JetBrains hears and sees the feedback- this should 100% be included in the all products pack. We are already paying for products we don’t use, incentivize us not to downgrade. An extra subscription on top of gpt-4 is rough. I’ve been a loyal customer for years and have convinced many others to switch and pay for your products. Now it’s going to effectively double in price. I’d also take at-cost, where i give you my GPT-4 API key. cursor.so is getting more and more attractive as an option.

ignorantguy 3y ago
i use cursor and its amazing.
hesdeadjim 3y ago
If you use this at any scale using an API key directly will cost a lot more than $16/mo. I’m convinced that these products are purely loss leaders at this point having seen how crazy expensive GPT-4 is when used direct.
- civilitty 3y ago
  No kidding, I'm spending $10-20 a day on API calls just between summarization and development using aider.
gazelle21 3y ago
I was a bit skeptical of Cursor, but I have fully migrated over and have had no issues.
andix 3y ago
I think it makes sense not to include it to the license. Such solutions cause additional cost just by the needed computing power, which the customer needs to pay for. So the cost of the JetBrians license needs to include that in the long term. If one would like to use another AI tool like Copilot they would still need to pay for JetBrains AI. In a lot of environments Coding AI usage is not allowed or even possible (no internet access), and would just be a cost driver without any benefit.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  "A lot" are not allowed? Most of places who disallow AI assistants will also happily pay exorbitant rates to consultants who will publish all your code base publicly on git... And how many offline coders are out there? My guess is less than 1%?
  - andix 3y ago
    It’s not just about offline coders. A lot of companies have a policy that code can’t leave their internal systems. No GitHub, no OpenAI, just internal tools. Far more than 1% of developers are affected with that. But let’s take it from another perspective: you will be happier if jetbrains increases the prices 100$ per year and AI is included instead of having an optional 100$ payment?
  - bdavbdav 3y ago
    Come work in finance. No external services.
atemerev 3y ago
They have their own models, they don’t use GPT-4. (Update: apparently, old news, they use both).
igor_akhmetov 3y ago
What's so useful about cursor apart from inline prompts?

ignorantguy 3y ago

i use cursor and its amazing.

hesdeadjim 3y ago

If you use this at any scale using an API key directly will cost a lot more than $16/mo. I’m convinced that these products are purely loss leaders at this point having seen how crazy expensive GPT-4 is when used direct.

civilitty 3y ago
No kidding, I'm spending $10-20 a day on API calls just between summarization and development using aider.

gazelle21 3y ago

I was a bit skeptical of Cursor, but I have fully migrated over and have had no issues.

andix 3y ago

I think it makes sense not to include it to the license. Such solutions cause additional cost just by the needed computing power, which the customer needs to pay for. So the cost of the JetBrians license needs to include that in the long term. If one would like to use another AI tool like Copilot they would still need to pay for JetBrains AI. In a lot of environments Coding AI usage is not allowed or even possible (no internet access), and would just be a cost driver without any benefit.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
"A lot" are not allowed? Most of places who disallow AI assistants will also happily pay exorbitant rates to consultants who will publish all your code base publicly on git... And how many offline coders are out there? My guess is less than 1%?
- andix 3y ago
  It’s not just about offline coders. A lot of companies have a policy that code can’t leave their internal systems. No GitHub, no OpenAI, just internal tools. Far more than 1% of developers are affected with that. But let’s take it from another perspective: you will be happier if jetbrains increases the prices 100$ per year and AI is included instead of having an optional 100$ payment?
- bdavbdav 3y ago
  Come work in finance. No external services.

atemerev 3y ago

They have their own models, they don’t use GPT-4. (Update: apparently, old news, they use both).

igor_akhmetov 3y ago

What's so useful about cursor apart from inline prompts?