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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windo

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

thebigman433 3y ago
What are your major issues with W11? I just started using it for the first time recently because my work laptop came with it, and it is surprisingly smooth. There are some UI changes Im not a fan of, but its otherwise fast/snappy in a way Linux sometimes isnt for me.
- kalupa 3y ago
  My major issue is the CPU I bought when I bought windows 10 is not (officially) supported by windows 11, despite being the current generation when I'd bought it ...
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  My showstopper issue is that I cannot drag files onto the taskbar to open in other programs or copy/move them. More details in my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38546849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38546849
wnevets 3y ago
Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins. Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  WinXP and 7 were the peak. I tolerated 10, but as of this year I no longer own a windows machine and do not plan on ever owning one again.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    The Service Packs degraded the XP-rience, IMO. I preferred 98SE or 2000 in a lot of ways. Happily loving Linux.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use. I have never, ever seen another OS so intent on resetting my settings and reverting what I've installed. I even had a case where Windows Defender was removing cracked software even after being disabled.
  - wnevets 3y ago
    > Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use. What poweruser things are you trying to do that Windows 11 prevents?
GoofGarage 3y ago
So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It eliminates I believe all the tracking, adware, suggestions, Cortana, feeding the Bing/ChatGPT machine, telemetry, etc. Absolutely nothing breaks. No need for a Microsoft account. It should be straightforward and to-the-click/keystroke. https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean If there’s any bugbears, create an issue. I’ll be responding to them every few weeks, and I try to update the release every 3 months.
- nemomarx 3y ago
  Do you have a fix for the taskbar?
  - GoofGarage 3y ago
    Fixing what? There are multiple sections in the guide addressing the task bar and start menu depending on what you’re looking to address.
    - stronglikedan 3y ago
      You cannot drag files onto it to open in other programs or copy/move them, last I checked. This is a showstopper for my workflow. I just want to drag a file over my explorer icon, choose the window from the popup preview that I want to move it to, have the window get focus, and drop it in the window to move it. Or drag a file over a program icon, have the program get focus, and drop the file on it to open it. Apparently, that is too difficult to port from every previous version of Windows into v11. It sucks.
      - wvenable 3y ago
        Does the preview not open up? I run Windows 11 but I'm so old school that I don't group taskbar buttons and you drag a file to the taskbar it will bring the app into focus and I drop it on that app. But I noticed that I don't get the preview when dragging over the button but that might also have something to do with my particular setup.
Workaccount2 3y ago
At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my life.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  What about ReactOS?
  - timw4mail 3y ago
    ReactOS barely works...and last I knew it was at XP-level support for applications.
    - jeditobe 3y ago
      which version of ReactOS have you tried?
- treyd 3y ago
  What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.
wvenable 3y ago
I put together a new PC and went Windows 11 on it and I have it configured (with a few tools) to be exactly like Windows 10. I also had my Windows 10 configured to be mostly like Windows 7. With some pretty minor changes and maybe purchasing some inexpensive software, Windows 11 is quite decent. Whenever I visit a stock Windows 11 machine I am a bit horrified.
- justinclift 3y ago
  So it is possible to turn off the advertisements in the OS and standard windows applications (that come with the OS)?
  - wvenable 3y ago
    I don't know if I turned them off so much as avoid them entirely. Either way, I don't see any advertisements, links to tabloid articles, anything Bing, etc. Nothing at all. I would say it's identical to Windows 10 for me (which I also clean up a bit). I use StartAllBack for Start menu and task bar customization.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Cool, that sounds positive. :)
mcpackieh 3y ago
I remember people saying this about XP to Vista, then 7 to 8, then 8 to 10, now 10 to 11... If you're on 10 now then you've gone through this cycle several times already; Microsoft is slow-boiling frogs and it seems to work for them.

thebigman433 3y ago

What are your major issues with W11? I just started using it for the first time recently because my work laptop came with it, and it is surprisingly smooth. There are some UI changes Im not a fan of, but its otherwise fast/snappy in a way Linux sometimes isnt for me.

kalupa 3y ago
My major issue is the CPU I bought when I bought windows 10 is not (officially) supported by windows 11, despite being the current generation when I'd bought it ...
stronglikedan 3y ago
My showstopper issue is that I cannot drag files onto the taskbar to open in other programs or copy/move them. More details in my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38546849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38546849

wnevets 3y ago

Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins. Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.

hotpotamus 3y ago
WinXP and 7 were the peak. I tolerated 10, but as of this year I no longer own a windows machine and do not plan on ever owning one again.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  The Service Packs degraded the XP-rience, IMO. I preferred 98SE or 2000 in a lot of ways. Happily loving Linux.
DoItToMe81 3y ago
Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use. I have never, ever seen another OS so intent on resetting my settings and reverting what I've installed. I even had a case where Windows Defender was removing cracked software even after being disabled.
- wnevets 3y ago
  > Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use. What poweruser things are you trying to do that Windows 11 prevents?

GoofGarage 3y ago

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It eliminates I believe all the tracking, adware, suggestions, Cortana, feeding the Bing/ChatGPT machine, telemetry, etc. Absolutely nothing breaks. No need for a Microsoft account. It should be straightforward and to-the-click/keystroke. https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean If there’s any bugbears, create an issue. I’ll be responding to them every few weeks, and I try to update the release every 3 months.

nemomarx 3y ago
Do you have a fix for the taskbar?
- GoofGarage 3y ago
  Fixing what? There are multiple sections in the guide addressing the task bar and start menu depending on what you’re looking to address.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    You cannot drag files onto it to open in other programs or copy/move them, last I checked. This is a showstopper for my workflow. I just want to drag a file over my explorer icon, choose the window from the popup preview that I want to move it to, have the window get focus, and drop it in the window to move it. Or drag a file over a program icon, have the program get focus, and drop the file on it to open it. Apparently, that is too difficult to port from every previous version of Windows into v11. It sucks.
    - wvenable 3y ago
      Does the preview not open up? I run Windows 11 but I'm so old school that I don't group taskbar buttons and you drag a file to the taskbar it will bring the app into focus and I drop it on that app. But I noticed that I don't get the preview when dragging over the button but that might also have something to do with my particular setup.

Workaccount2 3y ago

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my life.

josephcsible 3y ago
What about ReactOS?
- timw4mail 3y ago
  ReactOS barely works...and last I knew it was at XP-level support for applications.
  - jeditobe 3y ago
    which version of ReactOS have you tried?
treyd 3y ago
What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

wvenable 3y ago

I put together a new PC and went Windows 11 on it and I have it configured (with a few tools) to be exactly like Windows 10. I also had my Windows 10 configured to be mostly like Windows 7. With some pretty minor changes and maybe purchasing some inexpensive software, Windows 11 is quite decent. Whenever I visit a stock Windows 11 machine I am a bit horrified.

justinclift 3y ago
So it is possible to turn off the advertisements in the OS and standard windows applications (that come with the OS)?
- wvenable 3y ago
  I don't know if I turned them off so much as avoid them entirely. Either way, I don't see any advertisements, links to tabloid articles, anything Bing, etc. Nothing at all. I would say it's identical to Windows 10 for me (which I also clean up a bit). I use StartAllBack for Start menu and task bar customization.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Cool, that sounds positive. :)

mcpackieh 3y ago

I remember people saying this about XP to Vista, then 7 to 8, then 8 to 10, now 10 to 11... If you're on 10 now then you've gone through this cycle several times already; Microsoft is slow-boiling frogs and it seems to work for them.