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There's some dissonance in the the way this will swamp out searches for the web-alternative Gemini protocol by the biggest tech company in the world proudly boa

There's some dissonance in the the way this will swamp out searches for the web-alternative Gemini protocol by the biggest tech company in the world proudly boasting how responsible and careful they are being to improving things "for everyone, everywhere in the world".

polygamous_bat 3y ago
Killing ad free internet is good for google shareholders. That’s the “everyone” they’re talking about in case it wasn’t clear.
vilunov 3y ago
It's probably just an unfortunate coincidence. After all, Gemini is a zodiac sign first and foremost, you'd have to specify what exactly you want anyway.
- xen2xen1 3y ago
  Wasn't Gemini part of Greek Mythology way, way before? Aren't you losing maybe thousands of years here?
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  It probably is a coincidence. But as-per my other comment, an unfortunate one. Take all the hundreds of thousands of words in popular languages. And all the human names. And all possible new made up words and made up names. And land on one that's a project with a FAQ[1] saying "Gemini might be of interest to you if you: Value your privacy and are opposed to the web's ubiquitous tracking of users" - wait, that's Google's main source of income isn't it? [1] https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi
uxp8u61q 3y ago
Maybe they shouldn't have chosen such a common word if they didn't want to be confused with something else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  It's not just the confusion part, it's the behaviour part; Google is a web browser near-monopolist, AI is a big hyped thing with a lot of media noise, and Google has plonked their AI right on top of a small competitor, and done it while crowing about how moral they are. It's more like Uber releasing an AI called Taxi so all web searches for taxis show you Uber results and you saying "taxi is a word used by lots of companies".
  - uxp8u61q 3y ago
    Let's do a reality check here. * "Gemini" is an extremely common word. * The meaning of the dictionary word "Gemini" (a constellation in the zodiac, related to twins) is unrelated to either web protocols or AI. * The Gemini protocol is new and rather confidential. Do we agree on that?
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
      I think it's a coincidence, not an evil plot. Gemini is new but not confidential - niche, little used, never likely to be a real competitor, I agree with that. I don't think it being a common word is relevant - there are lots of common words they could use. But particularly Google claim to organize the world's information. And right now they are claiming to be good at AI. And search. And they claim to be trying to do some kind of moral/ethical good on top - i.e. going out of their way not to cause harm, and to cause improvement. If any group on Earth had the skills and technologies to pick a name which wouldn't clash with anything, with smart people, language analysis and AI and all the world's data, it should be Google. And instead they've landed right slap bang on the name of a competitor! Isn't that amusing? I wonder if there's any other name they could have called it which would coincidentally damage a small competitor in a way that has plausible deniability ("it's a common word" - they obviously couldn't call it "Yahoo! Mail" or "Baidu") and little pushback?
surajrmal 3y ago
Gemini as a web protocol isn't even on the top 5 list of things that come up when you think about Gemini prior to this announcement. It would be surprising if anyone involved in naming the Google product even knew about it.
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  > "Gemini as a web protocol isn't even on the top 5 list of things that come up when you think about Gemini prior to this announcement." And now it never will be :)

polygamous_bat 3y ago

Killing ad free internet is good for google shareholders. That’s the “everyone” they’re talking about in case it wasn’t clear.

vilunov 3y ago

It's probably just an unfortunate coincidence. After all, Gemini is a zodiac sign first and foremost, you'd have to specify what exactly you want anyway.

xen2xen1 3y ago
Wasn't Gemini part of Greek Mythology way, way before? Aren't you losing maybe thousands of years here?
jodrellblank 3y ago
It probably is a coincidence. But as-per my other comment, an unfortunate one. Take all the hundreds of thousands of words in popular languages. And all the human names. And all possible new made up words and made up names. And land on one that's a project with a FAQ[1] saying "Gemini might be of interest to you if you: Value your privacy and are opposed to the web's ubiquitous tracking of users" - wait, that's Google's main source of income isn't it? [1] https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi

uxp8u61q 3y ago

Maybe they shouldn't have chosen such a common word if they didn't want to be confused with something else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini

jodrellblank 3y ago
It's not just the confusion part, it's the behaviour part; Google is a web browser near-monopolist, AI is a big hyped thing with a lot of media noise, and Google has plonked their AI right on top of a small competitor, and done it while crowing about how moral they are. It's more like Uber releasing an AI called Taxi so all web searches for taxis show you Uber results and you saying "taxi is a word used by lots of companies".
- uxp8u61q 3y ago
  Let's do a reality check here. * "Gemini" is an extremely common word. * The meaning of the dictionary word "Gemini" (a constellation in the zodiac, related to twins) is unrelated to either web protocols or AI. * The Gemini protocol is new and rather confidential. Do we agree on that?
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    I think it's a coincidence, not an evil plot. Gemini is new but not confidential - niche, little used, never likely to be a real competitor, I agree with that. I don't think it being a common word is relevant - there are lots of common words they could use. But particularly Google claim to organize the world's information. And right now they are claiming to be good at AI. And search. And they claim to be trying to do some kind of moral/ethical good on top - i.e. going out of their way not to cause harm, and to cause improvement. If any group on Earth had the skills and technologies to pick a name which wouldn't clash with anything, with smart people, language analysis and AI and all the world's data, it should be Google. And instead they've landed right slap bang on the name of a competitor! Isn't that amusing? I wonder if there's any other name they could have called it which would coincidentally damage a small competitor in a way that has plausible deniability ("it's a common word" - they obviously couldn't call it "Yahoo! Mail" or "Baidu") and little pushback?

surajrmal 3y ago

Gemini as a web protocol isn't even on the top 5 list of things that come up when you think about Gemini prior to this announcement. It would be surprising if anyone involved in naming the Google product even knew about it.

jodrellblank 3y ago
> "Gemini as a web protocol isn't even on the top 5 list of things that come up when you think about Gemini prior to this announcement." And now it never will be :)