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Perhaps (and hopefully) you're being sarcastic with that marxist lingo, but thinking the entire wealth resides in employees is like thinking a set of wheels is
by waihtis 3y ago
Perhaps (and hopefully) you're being sarcastic with that marxist lingo, but thinking the entire wealth resides in employees is like thinking a set of wheels is equivalent to a car. Integral, but useless without the organized framework around it.
- derelicta 3y agoWhy would I be sarcastic? I just think that if taxation without representation is theft, so must be wealth-creation without representation. But thankfully workers aren't mere wheels, and they can design the said framework themselves! Pretty much like peasants got to imagine parliements so as to gain the natural right to rule over themselves, despite kings and lords trying to convince them it was a silly and dangerous idea.
- waihtis 3y ago> they can design the said framework themselves Congratulations, you have just invented entrepreneurship
- bmicraft 3y ago_Collective entrepreneurship_. There is a difference.
- waihtis 3y agoNo, just entrepreneurship with many equal shareholders. Unless you start demanding for special treatment and exclusion from market forces, which is usually what the communists are actually after
- derelicta 3y agoYou just invented cooperatives. Which is indeed a significant part of what communists wish to achieve. Now you gotta wonder: is workplace democracy such a bad thing?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> is workplace democracy such a bad thing? Yes, they're called committees. They're wildly inefficient for fundamental reasons [1]. We tolerate them in government, because when it comes to the state, we've learned that being consistently right is more important than being efficient. That's not the case in commerce. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm
- waihtis 3y agoThe amount of openly communistic commenters on HN is both hilarious and concerning at the same time.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> openly communistic I don't think worker-owned companies are communist. Until recently, investment banks and law firms were predominantly structured as partnerships.
- waihtis 3y agoPerhaps, but the ideals of the above commenters certainly do not come from investment banks
- bmicraft 3y agoWorker owned companies is basically the definition of socialism. It's kinda telling that you'd call it communism
- avgcorrection 3y agoCongratulations, you have no idea what worker-owned+governed businesses are.
- waihtis 3y agoAh, the preferred company structure of all economic juggernauts, such as Venezuela.
- Dah00n 3y agoThe structure bombed into dust 99% of the times it was tried.
- derelicta 3y agoIf the American oligarchy wasn't so keen on destabilising its counterparts with sanctions and military coups I'm pretty sure Venezuela and many others in the middle east would be in a much better shape. But then again that would require the amercain people to wake up, ask itself the right questions and act on it :)
- avgcorrection 3y agoSo first you sarcastically deride worker-governed companies as being a reinvention of entreneurship (capitalist). Then you deride it as being like “Venezuela” (socialist bogeyman). I can’t make heads or tails of this.
- waihtis 3y agoNo, I'm choosing not to embrace some random subcategory of entrepreneurism you're trying hamfistedly promote. I have no problem with a group of people coming together to form a company, on the contrary it needs to be promoted and celebrated much more as an idea, but only if it lives and dies by market forces.
- avgcorrection 3y agoYou’re the one who picked the goddamn comparison. Then I said that the comparison isn’t valid since it’s worker-governed and owned. And now you complain that I’m choosing a particular subcategory against your will... for the thing that I said wasn’t a valid comparison to begin with!
- avgcorrection 3y agoPerhaps (and hopefully) you’re being sarcastic with that dismissal, since assuming that someone is being second-order sarcastic is a bit too much.