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Feels more like an Apple post "the best fastest blabla-est". How about making it available to try without the fluff?

by Oras 3y ago

NewsaHackO 3y ago
The articles seems to report some data points which at least make it seem comparable to GPT4. To me, I feel as though this makes it more objective vs fluff.
- logicchains 3y ago
  There are some 7B weight models that look competitive with GPT4 on benchmarks, because they were trained on the benchmark data. Presumably Google would know better than to train on the benchmark data, but you never know. The benchmarks also fail to capture things such as Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    >Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical. Gives me what a quick scan looks like a pretty good answer.
  - mrkramer 3y ago
    >The benchmarks also fail to capture things such as Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical. When I used Bard, I had to negotiate with it what is ethical and what is not[0]. For example when I was researching WW2(Stalin and Hitler), I asked: "When did Hitler go to sleep?" and Bard thought that this information can be used to promote violence an hatred and then I told to it....this information can not be used to promote violence in any way and it gave in! I laughed at that. [0] https://i.imgur.com/hIpnII8.png https://i.imgur.com/hIpnII8.png
DeathArrow 3y ago
At least Apple would call it iParrot or iSomething. :D
- RegularOpossum 3y ago
  Not anymore, it'd be "Apple AI+" or "Siri+".
  - ics 3y ago
    Apple Intelligence (AI) would suffice.
- spacebacon 3y ago
  :D definitely iParrot
- bakul 3y ago
  iAi
  - adonese 3y ago
    uWu
- pb7 3y ago
  Maybe if it was still 2010 you would be correct.
jordanpg 3y ago
I'm not a marketer but it's hard to see what the point of these glossy press releases without a call to action is. If I could have tried it today, I would have dropped everything and tried it. Now I will forget about it for a while and try it whenever I hear through osmosis that it's available. To the extent that I am excited and/or interested, the snooze button is pressed. Maybe that's the desired outcome?
- polygamous_bat 3y ago
  I wonder what % of google shareholders understand this difference you talk about between “available now! try it” and “available Q2 next year”.
- bogtog 3y ago
  At least they can claim SOTA with this, even if their product remains unavailable. Let's Google still appear competitive even if GPT-5 beats it and is publicly available before Gemini
modernpink 3y ago
They have even adopted some of the Apple nomenclature "Ultra", "Pro" and "Nano"
jeroenhd 3y ago
Look at their landing page: https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction It's like they hired Apple to do their marketing.
- someNameIG 3y ago
  That really does look like something you'd see if you went to Apple.com

Feels more like an Apple post "the best fastest blabla-est". How about making it available to try without the fluff?

by Oras 3y ago

Feels more like an Apple post "the best fastest blabla-est". How about making it available to try without the fluff?

The articles seems to report some data points which at least make it seem comparable to GPT4. To me, I feel as though this makes it more objective vs fluff.

logicchains 3y ago
There are some 7B weight models that look competitive with GPT4 on benchmarks, because they were trained on the benchmark data. Presumably Google would know better than to train on the benchmark data, but you never know. The benchmarks also fail to capture things such as Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical.
- ghaff 3y ago
  >Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical. Gives me what a quick scan looks like a pretty good answer.
- mrkramer 3y ago
  >The benchmarks also fail to capture things such as Bard refusing to tell you how to kill a process on Linux because it's unethical. When I used Bard, I had to negotiate with it what is ethical and what is not[0]. For example when I was researching WW2(Stalin and Hitler), I asked: "When did Hitler go to sleep?" and Bard thought that this information can be used to promote violence an hatred and then I told to it....this information can not be used to promote violence in any way and it gave in! I laughed at that. [0] https://i.imgur.com/hIpnII8.png https://i.imgur.com/hIpnII8.png

DeathArrow 3y ago

At least Apple would call it iParrot or iSomething. :D

RegularOpossum 3y ago
Not anymore, it'd be "Apple AI+" or "Siri+".
- ics 3y ago
  Apple Intelligence (AI) would suffice.
spacebacon 3y ago
:D definitely iParrot
bakul 3y ago
iAi
- adonese 3y ago
  uWu
pb7 3y ago
Maybe if it was still 2010 you would be correct.

jordanpg 3y ago

I'm not a marketer but it's hard to see what the point of these glossy press releases without a call to action is. If I could have tried it today, I would have dropped everything and tried it. Now I will forget about it for a while and try it whenever I hear through osmosis that it's available. To the extent that I am excited and/or interested, the snooze button is pressed. Maybe that's the desired outcome?

polygamous_bat 3y ago
I wonder what % of google shareholders understand this difference you talk about between “available now! try it” and “available Q2 next year”.
bogtog 3y ago
At least they can claim SOTA with this, even if their product remains unavailable. Let's Google still appear competitive even if GPT-5 beats it and is publicly available before Gemini

modernpink 3y ago

They have even adopted some of the Apple nomenclature "Ultra", "Pro" and "Nano"

jeroenhd 3y ago

Look at their landing page: https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/#introduction It's like they hired Apple to do their marketing.

someNameIG 3y ago
That really does look like something you'd see if you went to Apple.com