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> Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt the richest area of Germany. Yeaaah about that, Denmark is currently covered

> Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt the richest area of Germany. Yeaaah about that, Denmark is currently covered in snow and the country isn't equipped to deal with it at all. As soon as the snow starts falling busses and trains are cancelled, people realize that maybe winter tires aren't such a bad idea, roads aren't cleared because the cities don't actually have the budgets to deal with it. So you can't rely on public transport, but driving can be dangerous because many roads aren't kept clear and other people are idiots, driving around on summer tires (that includes busses and trucks).

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>people realize that maybe winter tires aren't such a bad idea Hold the phone. Are you telling me winter tires are not mandatory by law in Denmark in winter?!
- mrweasel 3y ago
  They are not, surprisingly. I guess the reasoning is that during a normal winter they are required for maybe a few weeks. Many won't switch because they either don't want to pay for a second set of tires, or because it hurt fuel economy for most of the winter. All year tires are also somewhat popular, but they don't work as well in snow. You could probably get a fine for driving without them if the weather makes it unsafe, but that would be because you're not driving according to conditions. Anyway, loads of people are driving around on summer tires during the winter and it's amazingly dangerous and they cause problems for themselves and others.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >They are not, surprisingly. That's absolutely insane. One would think the Nordics would be a bit morse sensible on this. Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow. Yeah, it's an added expense and PITA but when the snow does come it's overall way safer.
    - CogitoCogito 3y ago
      “The Nordics” isn’t a single government so it’s weird to group them like this. Denmark, Sweden and Norway get very different amounts of snowfall so it’s unsurprising they don’t have all the same policies.
      - fl7305 3y ago
        Turns out the law is the same in Denmark and Sweden for this.
        pastage 3y ago
        There are no regulations in Denmark, but driving recklessly is easy to do without winter tires.
    - fl7305 3y ago
      > Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow. That does not seem to be correct: "Die Winterreifenpflicht gilt für Pkw und Lkw bis 3,5 t nur bei winterlichen Fahrbahnverhältnissen und nur dann, wenn auch gefahren wird." https://www.oesterreich.gv.at/themen/freizeit_und_strassenverkehr/kfz/10/2/Seite.063100.html https://www.oesterreich.gv.at/themen/freizeit_und_strassenve... That wording looks to be the same as for Denmark and Sweden?
  - fl7305 3y ago
    > You could probably get a fine for driving without them if the weather makes it unsafe, but that would be because you're not driving according to conditions. That is exactly how the law is written in Sweden too: "During the period from 1 December to 31 March there are special requirements in Sweden on which type of tyre a certain vehicle is to have when there are winter conditions on the road." https://transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/winter-tyres/ https://transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/winter-tyres/ So, according to the law in Sweden, winter tires are not legally required if there are not winter conditions on the road. But most years, you won't make it much past December 1st before encountering winter conditions in most parts of Sweden.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>people realize that maybe winter tires aren't such a bad idea Hold the phone. Are you telling me winter tires are not mandatory by law in Denmark in winter?!

mrweasel 3y ago
They are not, surprisingly. I guess the reasoning is that during a normal winter they are required for maybe a few weeks. Many won't switch because they either don't want to pay for a second set of tires, or because it hurt fuel economy for most of the winter. All year tires are also somewhat popular, but they don't work as well in snow. You could probably get a fine for driving without them if the weather makes it unsafe, but that would be because you're not driving according to conditions. Anyway, loads of people are driving around on summer tires during the winter and it's amazingly dangerous and they cause problems for themselves and others.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >They are not, surprisingly. That's absolutely insane. One would think the Nordics would be a bit morse sensible on this. Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow. Yeah, it's an added expense and PITA but when the snow does come it's overall way safer.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    “The Nordics” isn’t a single government so it’s weird to group them like this. Denmark, Sweden and Norway get very different amounts of snowfall so it’s unsurprising they don’t have all the same policies.
    - fl7305 3y ago
      Turns out the law is the same in Denmark and Sweden for this.
      - pastage 3y ago
        There are no regulations in Denmark, but driving recklessly is easy to do without winter tires.
  - fl7305 3y ago
    > Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow. That does not seem to be correct: "Die Winterreifenpflicht gilt für Pkw und Lkw bis 3,5 t nur bei winterlichen Fahrbahnverhältnissen und nur dann, wenn auch gefahren wird." https://www.oesterreich.gv.at/themen/freizeit_und_strassenverkehr/kfz/10/2/Seite.063100.html https://www.oesterreich.gv.at/themen/freizeit_und_strassenve... That wording looks to be the same as for Denmark and Sweden?
- fl7305 3y ago
  > You could probably get a fine for driving without them if the weather makes it unsafe, but that would be because you're not driving according to conditions. That is exactly how the law is written in Sweden too: "During the period from 1 December to 31 March there are special requirements in Sweden on which type of tyre a certain vehicle is to have when there are winter conditions on the road." https://transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/winter-tyres/ https://transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/winter-tyres/ So, according to the law in Sweden, winter tires are not legally required if there are not winter conditions on the road. But most years, you won't make it much past December 1st before encountering winter conditions in most parts of Sweden.