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Liked by certain interest groups and not others. Despite really disliking Elon as a whole, one thing I like about him is that he expresses himself like a human

Liked by certain interest groups and not others. Despite really disliking Elon as a whole, one thing I like about him is that he expresses himself like a human being, contrary to most of the HR/PR/D&I drones who claim he's an antisemite now.

marricks 3y ago
Not having a PR team is cool but it’s really just a doorway to seeing how most of these folks really are and it’s just desperately wanting to be seen as Tony Stark.
davidw 3y ago
> claim he's an antisemite We saw the tweets (it wasn't just the one) he boosted and agreed with. You can absolutely be a 'real' and authentic person without promoting that kind of garbage. I don't think I'm alone in having previously thought he was perhaps a bit eccentric, but involved in some cool stuff. I lost a lot of respect for him though.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  It sounds like you've made up your mind that he is antisemitic, so this might be in vain, but see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345
  - davidw 3y ago
    I read what I read, on multiple occasions, on the platform itself, rather than reported by some 3rd party. We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing some cool things.
    - andsoitis 3y ago
      > but a repeated pattern You think he repeatedly demonstrates antisemitism? The evidence is quite the opposite if you listened to the interviews he does on the topic of the war between Israel and Hamas (this interview being one of them, where he talks in nuanced terms about the difficulty of peace in the Middle East in general and the difficulty of the current war in particular).
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        Cherry picking things someone says or endorses which aren't anti-semetic doesn't explain the things they say or endorse which are anti-semetic. I have no idea how someone comes to believe "look over there" is a defense for explicitly endorsing an anti-semetic conspiracy theory. This is like pointing out that a murderer went their whole life up until the alleged murder doing stuff that wasn't murdering (as far as we know), and has done so since, too (as far as we know), so how can they be a murderer? It's worth noting, too, like the killer, the examples we know of are just the examples we know of. If there's part of the interview where he admits he endorsed an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and was wrong to do so (not just that it was a mistake) and explains how he came to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and how he now rejects the anti-semetic conspiracy theory and the anti-semites who subscribe to it, perhaps he should put that info into the format and platform that he used to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory.
      - jcranmer 3y ago
        I don't think he's antisemitic, but I think his beliefs rhyme with antisemitism, sufficiently close that he could go "yep, totally true" to a slightly-coded antisemitic trope like Great Replacement Theory without realizing he's endorsing antisemitism.

marricks 3y ago

Not having a PR team is cool but it’s really just a doorway to seeing how most of these folks really are and it’s just desperately wanting to be seen as Tony Stark.

davidw 3y ago

> claim he's an antisemite We saw the tweets (it wasn't just the one) he boosted and agreed with. You can absolutely be a 'real' and authentic person without promoting that kind of garbage. I don't think I'm alone in having previously thought he was perhaps a bit eccentric, but involved in some cool stuff. I lost a lot of respect for him though.

andsoitis 3y ago
It sounds like you've made up your mind that he is antisemitic, so this might be in vain, but see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345
- davidw 3y ago
  I read what I read, on multiple occasions, on the platform itself, rather than reported by some 3rd party. We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing some cool things.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > but a repeated pattern You think he repeatedly demonstrates antisemitism? The evidence is quite the opposite if you listened to the interviews he does on the topic of the war between Israel and Hamas (this interview being one of them, where he talks in nuanced terms about the difficulty of peace in the Middle East in general and the difficulty of the current war in particular).
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      Cherry picking things someone says or endorses which aren't anti-semetic doesn't explain the things they say or endorse which are anti-semetic. I have no idea how someone comes to believe "look over there" is a defense for explicitly endorsing an anti-semetic conspiracy theory. This is like pointing out that a murderer went their whole life up until the alleged murder doing stuff that wasn't murdering (as far as we know), and has done so since, too (as far as we know), so how can they be a murderer? It's worth noting, too, like the killer, the examples we know of are just the examples we know of. If there's part of the interview where he admits he endorsed an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and was wrong to do so (not just that it was a mistake) and explains how he came to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory, and how he now rejects the anti-semetic conspiracy theory and the anti-semites who subscribe to it, perhaps he should put that info into the format and platform that he used to endorse an anti-semetic conspiracy theory.
    - jcranmer 3y ago
      I don't think he's antisemitic, but I think his beliefs rhyme with antisemitism, sufficiently close that he could go "yep, totally true" to a slightly-coded antisemitic trope like Great Replacement Theory without realizing he's endorsing antisemitism.